[nagdu] How would you respond?

Tue Apr 24 14:26:28 UTC 2012

Yes, because the thing is that you are supposed to be able to control your 
dog!  You are supposed to do this under all circumstances.  Those whom have 
pet dogs that do this can be sued and have to pay fines or in some 
circumstances go to jail!  There is no excuse for letting your dog attack 
another dog!  If its the dog fault, the handler should know his-her dog well 
enough to keep it out of those situations!  If the dog was offleash, he gets 
what he gets!  If not black listed then certainly observed very carefuly 
when next going through a training program!  I know folks who have had guide 
dogs that value a little aggression.  I don't believe in any aggressive dog 
who's handler can't control it.  I'm suggesting that sence the dog and 
handler are both members of a team, they should know each other and how they 
will react!  A new team might get some leanency because they might not know 
each other well but otherwise.  This society puts down dogs who become 
aggressive to humans.  The assumption I am making is that both parties 
should have had control of there dogs and the one who was the attacker 
should have been controlled!  Nothing hard or complicated about that!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?


> Wow...this message sure is full of assumptions.  The person should be 
> black listed because he or she received a dog which attacked another dog. 
> I do not think dogs are taught aggression.  I think dogs will be dogs, and 
> it is very unfortunate that this happened, but in no way, what-so-ever 
> does that mean this handler should never have a guide again.  My first 
> guide bit one of my pet dogs.  I should probably have never been given 
> another dog, then, I suppose.  I must have taught her to bite.  Shame on 
> me.
>
> I am sorry this message comes off as rude, but I am really really tired of 
> people assuming it is the person's fault.  We talk about wanting to be 
> treated fairly and equally by guide dog training programs.  We say that we 
> are adults and should be treated as such, and then, more than one person I 
> have come across automatically blames the handler.  If I buy a new 
> microwave, and I bring it home and plug it in and it doesn't work, did I 
> do something wrong?  No, there was a problem with the manufacturing of the 
> product.  If I bring a dog home, and that dog does not guide effectively, 
> or she barks and/or growls at other dogs, that is not my fault, either. 
> That does not mean I should not work with the dog to improve the problems 
> if it seems they could be fixed, but the handler is not always responsible 
> for what the dog does or does not know.  Please recall that before a dog 
> is matched with a blind person, the dog has had a year and a half to two 
> years growing and learning and having experiences we will never know 
> about.  I am very disappointed in people who would not wish to be treated 
> in exactly the way they are treating people who cannot defend themselves.
>
> Meghan
> On 4/24/2012 4:45 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>> Oh, thats bad!  Guides are deffinetely not supposed to do that!  I think 
>> both schools should be contacted and the case should be taken to court. 
>> I get the feeling that someone really relaxed there control of there dog! 
>> The attacker should be subject to the fullness of the law!  And maybe 
>> even black listed with all of the schools!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" 
>> <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?
>>
>>
>>> Julie,
>>> Both dogs were guides.  What I do not know if they were both in harness, 
>>> but
>>> both students were attending the blind skills training program and had 
>>> their
>>> guides there as well.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 9:37 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How would you respond?
>>>
>>> I'd find out who the owner of the dog was.  If there are state laws
>>> addressing this issue, I'd have a visit with the police and file the
>>> appropriate paperwork.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what I'd do about my own dog though.  Probably take it 
>>> very
>>> easy for a while.  then very gently introduce calm, gentle dogs to see 
>>> how
>>> it went.
>>>
>>> Or was the other dog also a guide?  I wasn't exactly sure from your
>>> description of things.  I don't know that that would substantially 
>>> change my
>>> approach, except that I might also let the program know that I was 
>>> filing a
>>> report with the police.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>> On 4/23/2012 5:51 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>>> Another what would you do question, or maybe, how would you respond
>>>> scenarios for you all to ponder.  Many times, we hear of guides and
>>>> other service dogs being attacked by other stray or uncontrolled dogs,
>>>> rendering the attacked dog unable to continue in their line of work.
>>>> Today, I learned from a colleague at work, that her son's good friend,
>>>> who is blind and attending a formal blind training program, had his
>>>> dog viciously attacked by another dog.  The injuries were severe, the
>>>> attacked was unprovoked and the trainers had to break up the fight,
>>>> but the guide that was attacked, is now showing very serious signs of 
>>>> fear
>>> and anxiety.
>>>>
>>>> What would you do if you were the handler?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> 2.
>>>>
>>>>
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