[nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide dog related

Sat Apr 28 18:23:01 UTC 2012

fine, next time I will keep my opinions to myself and not say anything.
I will just stay in the background

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> From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:09:18 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide	dog related
> 
> Marilyn's questions was not which method is safer, or which is better. It
> was merely which method do you think drivers pay more attention to. We
> aren't going to get into a discussion about which is better, or which the
> NFB sees better, or which is safer. But how drivers see us, and which they
> pay attention to better. Lets keep it at that, okay?
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:51 PM
> To: nagdu
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide
> dog related
> 
> 
> I am putting 2 cents here!
> Marilyn is a good friend and we disagree on things from time to time likes
> friends do, but I have to say, whether this is guide dog related or not, we
> are putting a little negativity to the people that use canes and are
> thinking about getting a guide dog, JMO!
> I used a cane way before I got a dog, was taught how to cross the streets
> safely.  
> So my concern with this, is when it comes to the person that for whatever
> reason, either dog is sick, without dog because in between dogs, etc. Should
> be concerned to be without a dog, because they might get killed crossing the
> street with a cane.
> My own thinking on people interested in getting a guide dog, and this is
> Cheryl Echevarria's Philosophy on it, and not NAGDU or even NFB, it is that
> we should now all our skills, sighted guide, cane and guide dog.  We are all
> about independence, meaning NFB.  So, again, JMO, that if I am without a
> dog, I shouldn't travel or go outside without someone.
> If I did that, I wouldn't leave the house at all.  Training at the guide dog
> school in this case, GDF, they recommend to use your cane, and not solely
> rely on the dog, so that the dog also gets used to being alone, once in
> awhile, which is good for all.
> My thoughts are all over, but you are getting the point.
> Not to be taken negatively, just to think about our independence, on all
> mobility skills.
> Cheryl
> 
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> > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:41:32 -0400
> > From: t21114 at optonline.net
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide dog
> related
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > yesterday I had a day off from work so I went to a library where  there
> was a guest speak there from the National Helen Keller Center who teaches
> mobility. He did a power point presentation and told us that when a blind or
> blind/deaf person tries crossing a street the driver pays more attention to
> a cane user than to a guide dog user. We were told they did some research in
> Maryland, Minnesota and I forgot the other state. They did suburbs and city.
> the man doing the presentation who can see and still drives a car did the
> research. he told us he has glaucoma. He said he dressed in regular street
> clothing , put dark glasses on and used a cane, then a flag and then held
> his hand up to stop traffic to cross.  
> > They had a grant to do this study. I told him since every day I cross
> streets with my guide dog and have had close calls I would have been killed
> with a cane. My dog didn't go across until it was safe even if I give the
> forward command. I was told that a guide dog team was killed last year
> because the dog went forward and the person had a hearing problem besides
> being blind. I told him I cannot comment on what happened to this person
> because pedestrians who can see are hit by cars every day. 
> > My question is do you think people who drive cars pay more attention to a
> cane user when your trying to cross a street or do people pay attention to a
> guide dog user?
> > I asked why a study wasn't done about guide dog users crossing streets and
> was told there wasn't a grant for that study since more people use canes
> than dogs. 
> > Marilyn and Anna
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