[nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide dog related

Sat Apr 28 20:20:49 UTC 2012

I believe that one of the questions was, which drivers notice more.  I also 
think that some folks with dogs will autimatically  help you accrooss the 
street.  Of course this is not strictly true but it does have an element of 
truth to it!  Cheryl, I have and won't argue which is better because I use 
both and get benefits from each.  I don't think we're picking on you.  The 
question is which is noticed by drivers better and I would sure love to peak 
at that survey!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide 
dog related


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>
> fine, next time I will keep my opinions to myself and not say anything.
> I will just stay in the background
>
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>> From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:09:18 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide 
>> dog related
>>
>> Marilyn's questions was not which method is safer, or which is better. It
>> was merely which method do you think drivers pay more attention to. We
>> aren't going to get into a discussion about which is better, or which the
>> NFB sees better, or which is safer. But how drivers see us, and which 
>> they
>> pay attention to better. Lets keep it at that, okay?
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of cheryl echevarria
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:51 PM
>> To: nagdu
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide
>> dog related
>>
>>
>> I am putting 2 cents here!
>> Marilyn is a good friend and we disagree on things from time to time 
>> likes
>> friends do, but I have to say, whether this is guide dog related or not, 
>> we
>> are putting a little negativity to the people that use canes and are
>> thinking about getting a guide dog, JMO!
>> I used a cane way before I got a dog, was taught how to cross the streets
>> safely.
>> So my concern with this, is when it comes to the person that for whatever
>> reason, either dog is sick, without dog because in between dogs, etc. 
>> Should
>> be concerned to be without a dog, because they might get killed crossing 
>> the
>> street with a cane.
>> My own thinking on people interested in getting a guide dog, and this is
>> Cheryl Echevarria's Philosophy on it, and not NAGDU or even NFB, it is 
>> that
>> we should now all our skills, sighted guide, cane and guide dog.  We are 
>> all
>> about independence, meaning NFB.  So, again, JMO, that if I am without a
>> dog, I shouldn't travel or go outside without someone.
>> If I did that, I wouldn't leave the house at all.  Training at the guide 
>> dog
>> school in this case, GDF, they recommend to use your cane, and not solely
>> rely on the dog, so that the dog also gets used to being alone, once in
>> awhile, which is good for all.
>> My thoughts are all over, but you are getting the point.
>> Not to be taken negatively, just to think about our independence, on all
>> mobility skills.
>> Cheryl
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
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>> > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:41:32 -0400
>> > From: t21114 at optonline.net
>> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Question about crossing streets - hope this is guide 
>> > dog
>> related
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> > yesterday I had a day off from work so I went to a library where  there
>> was a guest speak there from the National Helen Keller Center who teaches
>> mobility. He did a power point presentation and told us that when a blind 
>> or
>> blind/deaf person tries crossing a street the driver pays more attention 
>> to
>> a cane user than to a guide dog user. We were told they did some research 
>> in
>> Maryland, Minnesota and I forgot the other state. They did suburbs and 
>> city.
>> the man doing the presentation who can see and still drives a car did the
>> research. he told us he has glaucoma. He said he dressed in regular 
>> street
>> clothing , put dark glasses on and used a cane, then a flag and then held
>> his hand up to stop traffic to cross.
>> > They had a grant to do this study. I told him since every day I cross
>> streets with my guide dog and have had close calls I would have been 
>> killed
>> with a cane. My dog didn't go across until it was safe even if I give the
>> forward command. I was told that a guide dog team was killed last year
>> because the dog went forward and the person had a hearing problem besides
>> being blind. I told him I cannot comment on what happened to this person
>> because pedestrians who can see are hit by cars every day.
>> > My question is do you think people who drive cars pay more attention to 
>> > a
>> cane user when your trying to cross a street or do people pay attention 
>> to a
>> guide dog user?
>> > I asked why a study wasn't done about guide dog users crossing streets 
>> > and
>> was told there wasn't a grant for that study since more people use canes
>> than dogs.
>> > Marilyn and Anna
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