[nagdu] Soul Searching

Mon Jul 9 01:54:13 UTC 2012

That is a good idea, not sure how Dr. Maurer would feel about that. Anyone who is on twitter, did you see the discuss about a guide being left in the banquet room after the banquet? I had not heard about this while at convention, but thought it was rude of people to talk about it on twitter. I don't know what happened, nor am I making any assumptions about the handler, just wondered if anyone knew what happened. 

Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone

On Jul 8, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:

> I think an even better thing would be for an announcement to be made at the Board meeting next year or at general session about tolerance for those using canes and dogs.
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> Margo and Arrow
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>> Hi cindy, I am sorry to hear about the troubles with your pup at convention. I guess what bothers me even more than the trouble, is that another handler would be rude to you about your pups troubles. I heard others at convention being rude to guide dog handlers. People who use canes, have no tolerance for us or our dogs. Its very sad. But I also ran into handlers who were not aware of what their dogs were doing, who would get stepped on, ran into, or hit. Perhaps that is something we as a division need to dicuss at our next convention, is tolerance of guides and the handlers. We still have alot of NFB members who think that by us using a dog, we are not independent, or we are lower in rank than them because we choose to use a dog. We as nagdu must change that attitude or thinking.
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>> just my two cents
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>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Some of those who judged me were, in fact, other handlers. However, one particularly vocal one may have had some experiences that had created fears for her beyond what my dog was doing. But, Bibi, thanks. I do appreciate your kind words.
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>>> CL
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>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Criminal Justice Major wrote:
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>>>> Hi, Cindy,
>>>> Despite the rough parts during convention, I'm glad you had fun though.
>>>> Perhaps the reasoning for Fischer's growling or barking may be a sign of stress and probably being too enclosed.
>>>> I remember one time during an ACB/GDUI convention four years ago in Louisville, KY, I came across a guide dog team where the handler seemed friendly and she was good for keeping on her dog.
>>>> Once we all got into an elevator, her dog started growling and despite hard corrections and quiet, nothing worked.
>>>> She seeked help and advice from a GDF instructor.
>>>> I recommended her to do that since they were the ones who trained her guide dog and they would know what's best.
>>>> I was honest with the handler, explaining that I was sensing her dog was enclosed and didn't like the feeling of being cornered.
>>>> Here comes the real truth.
>>>> One thing I, wish, is people who aren't dog handlers would stop judging a handler unless they see both the team working at all times.
>>>> Just because a dog may bark or growl doesn't make a blind or other individuals with disabilities bad handlers, especially given that they are trying to really work hard with their dog.
>>>> Yes, a dog's bark can be scary, if you're not expecting it.
>>>> For those who were trying to claim that you're not controlling your dog, how about they stop, put themselves in ours or the dog's shoes to see how they feel when they stress out.
>>>> i'm only saying this because I've had moments where I've just had to stop and think about Odie's feelings on how or what he feels.
>>>> Once I started doing that among talking to him, it helped the two of us more.
>>>> Also, please don't blame yourself for this happening as you had no idea how your partner was going to react and it's possible that he just may not like huge amount of activities like crowds and being enclosed by too many other dogs.
>>>> When you do place a call to TSE, I do hope they will be able to help you out and be honest with sharing your feelings.
>>>> The more you're able to communicate, the better it will go for all involved.
>>>> Please keep us posted on how it all goes and if there's anything I can do to help or offer suggestions or advice, feel free to write me off list at:
>>>> orleans24 at comcast.net
>>>> Again, you're not a bad handler and things like this can happen to experienced users too.
>>>> Bibi
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