[nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

Wed Jul 25 21:08:07 UTC 2012

 yes, we where also.
 there too.

On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> At Pilot Dogs, we were taught to encourage our dogs through tight spaces and
> narrow passages. 
> 
> Even my classmates with vision did it. 
> 
> Chantel and Motley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of crystal redick
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:53 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
> 
> I am a graduate from GDB and I was never told to walk ahead of my dog
> if there is a narrow passage. We were told to encourage our dogs if
> they are unsure about an obstacle.
> 
> Crystal and Lexie
> 
> On 7/25/12, Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tina, I believe that they have had classes with students of partial
>> vision, but I don't think they have purposely planned it. I'm a total
>> and they did not train me differently than my other classmates who
>> were partials.
>> Juanita and Anise
>> 
>> On 7/25/12, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Tracey- That could be true. I know in the past GDB has had classes
>>> with
>>> just partials.
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
>>> 
>>> Hi Juanita.
>>> I don't think you need to ask, unless you want to.
>>> 
>>> I have heard that GDB now gives individualized instruction (though it
>>> seemed
>>> pretty personalized when I was there years ago.)  I wonder if they are
>>> telling high partials one thing, and totally blind people another?
>>> Though, if they are, it's still a rotten idea to step in front of the
>>> dog,
>>> even if you think you see well enough.  It would limit the person from
>>> using
>>> the dog in situations where he or she wasn't seeing well.
>>> The whole thing seems screwy.  Which is why I thought it might be a wild
>>> rumor.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>>> Tracy, that is totally a wild rumor. I just graduated from GDB six
>>>> months ago, and not unless things have changed since then, we are not
>>>> to walk ahead of our dogs at any time. The dog is called a guide dog
>>>> for a reason, to guide. Also, we may give leash Q's, but only if we
>>>> have an idea of where we are. Not if we are absolutely unsure of our
>>>> surroundings. GDB is actually going to be having a presentation at my
>>>> job on Friday. I can ask if things have changed if you'd like me to.
>>>> Juanita and Anise
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/25/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>> The other day, a friend shared with me the things she heard about at
>>>>> the ACB convention.  One thing that shocked us both was that GDB is
>>>>> teaching people, when there is a narrow path, to step *ahead* of the
>>>>> dog!  Say what!!!  I've done that, and lived to tell the tale and
>>>>> learn from my mistake, but it's a darned good way to get hurt or
>>>>> killed.  Is this just a wild rumor, or is it an example of trainers
>>>>> being out of touch with reality?  Or has GDB become Guide Dogs for
>>>>> the High Partials?  Well, high partials who never go out at night,
>>>>> because it would be too dangerous and scary.
>>>>> Surely this isn't actually what GDB is teaching?
>>>>> Another thing my friend heard is that, if the dog is unsure of how to
>>>>> go around an obstacle, the person is supposed to direct the dog using
>>>>> the leash--give a leash cue.  Great, if you can tell where to go.
>>>>> Me, I usually can't, being, you know, blind!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyhow, any recent GDB graduate want to confirm or deny this rumor?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been pondering a new theory:  guide dogs used to be trained as
>>>>> if their partners would be totally blind, and now they're being
>>>>> trained as if their partners will have some usable vision.  I've
>>>>> occasionally thought that Ben might have done better sooner if he had
>>>>> a person who could tell faster when he was getting ready to cop a
>>>>> sniff, for instance.  And our trainer seemed to think I should know
>>>>> when bushes were coming up, though just how I would know that beats
>>>>> me.  But then, how do these guide dogs for the visually impaired pass
>>>>> the blindfold test?  So maybe my theory is full of holes, but it
>>>>> doesn't seem like training is as rigorous as it used to be, if one
>>>>> can believe books.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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