[nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

Steven Johnson blinddog3 at charter.net
Wed Jul 25 23:07:09 UTC 2012 

At Leader Dog, we were encouraged to get our arms under the belly of the
dog, and gently lift them up and tuck them under our working side arm to
comfort them while carrying them through the narrow passage.  Rumors are
just that, and without factual evidence to back heresay information, these
posts could go off in all kinds of directions which we are starting to see.
It is kind of frustrating to see how a rumor has to be dispelled by factual
evidence from students who recently attended, and the same goes with the
vision of levels withthose in attendance.  I would personally like to see
people try to refrain from posting rumors without some level of factual
evidence to back it up.  Again, case and oint with my opening...I just
wonder how many will buy into this?  Come on folks, we are all grown ups so
lets start acting like grown ups.  If I posted everything I heard about
different schools, and this includes even the so-called top schools, it
would be a freaking circus on this list.  Think before you post and do a
little background research.  We know each other, we know what schools we are
from, we know who has graduated recently and experienced the training
program most recently, so be courteous to all of us and gather facts from
our peers before this run-away train gets really out of control.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

 yes, we where also.
 there too.

On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> At Pilot Dogs, we were taught to encourage our dogs through tight 
> spaces and narrow passages.
> 
> Even my classmates with vision did it. 
> 
> Chantel and Motley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of crystal redick
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:53 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
> 
> I am a graduate from GDB and I was never told to walk ahead of my dog 
> if there is a narrow passage. We were told to encourage our dogs if 
> they are unsure about an obstacle.
> 
> Crystal and Lexie
> 
> On 7/25/12, Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tina, I believe that they have had classes with students of partial 
>> vision, but I don't think they have purposely planned it. I'm a total 
>> and they did not train me differently than my other classmates who 
>> were partials.
>> Juanita and Anise
>> 
>> On 7/25/12, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Tracey- That could be true. I know in the past GDB has had 
>>> classes with just partials.
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
>>> 
>>> Hi Juanita.
>>> I don't think you need to ask, unless you want to.
>>> 
>>> I have heard that GDB now gives individualized instruction (though 
>>> it seemed pretty personalized when I was there years ago.)  I wonder 
>>> if they are telling high partials one thing, and totally blind 
>>> people another?
>>> Though, if they are, it's still a rotten idea to step in front of 
>>> the dog, even if you think you see well enough.  It would limit the 
>>> person from using the dog in situations where he or she wasn't 
>>> seeing well.
>>> The whole thing seems screwy.  Which is why I thought it might be a 
>>> wild rumor.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>>> Tracy, that is totally a wild rumor. I just graduated from GDB six 
>>>> months ago, and not unless things have changed since then, we are 
>>>> not to walk ahead of our dogs at any time. The dog is called a 
>>>> guide dog for a reason, to guide. Also, we may give leash Q's, but 
>>>> only if we have an idea of where we are. Not if we are absolutely 
>>>> unsure of our surroundings. GDB is actually going to be having a 
>>>> presentation at my job on Friday. I can ask if things have changed if
you'd like me to.
>>>> Juanita and Anise
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/25/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>> The other day, a friend shared with me the things she heard about 
>>>>> at the ACB convention.  One thing that shocked us both was that 
>>>>> GDB is teaching people, when there is a narrow path, to step 
>>>>> *ahead* of the dog!  Say what!!!  I've done that, and lived to 
>>>>> tell the tale and learn from my mistake, but it's a darned good 
>>>>> way to get hurt or killed.  Is this just a wild rumor, or is it an 
>>>>> example of trainers being out of touch with reality?  Or has GDB 
>>>>> become Guide Dogs for the High Partials?  Well, high partials who 
>>>>> never go out at night, because it would be too dangerous and scary.
>>>>> Surely this isn't actually what GDB is teaching?
>>>>> Another thing my friend heard is that, if the dog is unsure of how 
>>>>> to go around an obstacle, the person is supposed to direct the dog 
>>>>> using the leash--give a leash cue.  Great, if you can tell where to
go.
>>>>> Me, I usually can't, being, you know, blind!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyhow, any recent GDB graduate want to confirm or deny this rumor?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been pondering a new theory:  guide dogs used to be trained 
>>>>> as if their partners would be totally blind, and now they're being 
>>>>> trained as if their partners will have some usable vision.  I've 
>>>>> occasionally thought that Ben might have done better sooner if he 
>>>>> had a person who could tell faster when he was getting ready to 
>>>>> cop a sniff, for instance.  And our trainer seemed to think I 
>>>>> should know when bushes were coming up, though just how I would 
>>>>> know that beats me.  But then, how do these guide dogs for the 
>>>>> visually impaired pass the blindfold test?  So maybe my theory is 
>>>>> full of holes, but it doesn't seem like training is as rigorous as 
>>>>> it used to be, if one can believe books.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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