[nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

Thu Jul 26 00:36:00 UTC 2012

I hope I have my wheaties that morning if I should have to lift my dog.
I used to lift my dog on to the table when I had a vet with a bad back.
I shouldn't lift that much weight often.
If you are pulling a cart, there is no way you can lift dog and pull cart.
Original message:
> At Leader Dog, we were encouraged to get our arms under the belly of the
> dog, and gently lift them up and tuck them under our working side arm to
> comfort them while carrying them through the narrow passage.  Rumors are
> just that, and without factual evidence to back heresay information, these
> posts could go off in all kinds of directions which we are starting to see.
> It is kind of frustrating to see how a rumor has to be dispelled by factual
> evidence from students who recently attended, and the same goes with the
> vision of levels withthose in attendance.  I would personally like to see
> people try to refrain from posting rumors without some level of factual
> evidence to back it up.  Again, case and oint with my opening...I just
> wonder how many will buy into this?  Come on folks, we are all grown ups so
> lets start acting like grown ups.  If I posted everything I heard about
> different schools, and this includes even the so-called top schools, it
> would be a freaking circus on this list.  Think before you post and do a
> little background research.  We know each other, we know what schools we are
> from, we know who has graduated recently and experienced the training
> program most recently, so be courteous to all of us and gather facts from
> our peers before this run-away train gets really out of control.

> Steve


> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of rhonda cruz
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:08 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

>  yes, we where also.
>  there too.

> On Jul 25, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

>> At Pilot Dogs, we were taught to encourage our dogs through tight
>> spaces and narrow passages.

>> Even my classmates with vision did it.

>> Chantel and Motley

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of crystal redick
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:53 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

>> I am a graduate from GDB and I was never told to walk ahead of my dog
>> if there is a narrow passage. We were told to encourage our dogs if
>> they are unsure about an obstacle.

>> Crystal and Lexie

>> On 7/25/12, Juanita Herrera <juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tina, I believe that they have had classes with students of partial
>>> vision, but I don't think they have purposely planned it. I'm a total
>>> and they did not train me differently than my other classmates who
>>> were partials.
>>> Juanita and Anise

>>> On 7/25/12, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Tracey- That could be true. I know in the past GDB has had
>>>> classes with just partials.
>>>> Tina

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

>>>> Hi Juanita.
>>>> I don't think you need to ask, unless you want to.

>>>> I have heard that GDB now gives individualized instruction (though
>>>> it seemed pretty personalized when I was there years ago.)  I wonder
>>>> if they are telling high partials one thing, and totally blind
>>>> people another?
>>>> Though, if they are, it's still a rotten idea to step in front of
>>>> the dog, even if you think you see well enough.  It would limit the
>>>> person from using the dog in situations where he or she wasn't
>>>> seeing well.
>>>> The whole thing seems screwy.  Which is why I thought it might be a
>>>> wild rumor.
>>>> Tracy

>>>>> Tracy, that is totally a wild rumor. I just graduated from GDB six
>>>>> months ago, and not unless things have changed since then, we are
>>>>> not to walk ahead of our dogs at any time. The dog is called a
>>>>> guide dog for a reason, to guide. Also, we may give leash Q's, but
>>>>> only if we have an idea of where we are. Not if we are absolutely
>>>>> unsure of our surroundings. GDB is actually going to be having a
>>>>> presentation at my job on Friday. I can ask if things have changed if
> you'd like me to.
>>>>> Juanita and Anise

>>>>> On 7/25/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>>> The other day, a friend shared with me the things she heard about
>>>>>> at the ACB convention.  One thing that shocked us both was that
>>>>>> GDB is teaching people, when there is a narrow path, to step
>>>>>> *ahead* of the dog!  Say what!!!  I've done that, and lived to
>>>>>> tell the tale and learn from my mistake, but it's a darned good
>>>>>> way to get hurt or killed.  Is this just a wild rumor, or is it an
>>>>>> example of trainers being out of touch with reality?  Or has GDB
>>>>>> become Guide Dogs for the High Partials?  Well, high partials who
>>>>>> never go out at night, because it would be too dangerous and scary.
>>>>>> Surely this isn't actually what GDB is teaching?
>>>>>> Another thing my friend heard is that, if the dog is unsure of how
>>>>>> to go around an obstacle, the person is supposed to direct the dog
>>>>>> using the leash--give a leash cue.  Great, if you can tell where to
> go.
>>>>>> Me, I usually can't, being, you know, blind!

>>>>>> Anyhow, any recent GDB graduate want to confirm or deny this rumor?

>>>>>> I have been pondering a new theory:  guide dogs used to be trained
>>>>>> as if their partners would be totally blind, and now they're being
>>>>>> trained as if their partners will have some usable vision.  I've
>>>>>> occasionally thought that Ben might have done better sooner if he
>>>>>> had a person who could tell faster when he was getting ready to
>>>>>> cop a sniff, for instance.  And our trainer seemed to think I
>>>>>> should know when bushes were coming up, though just how I would
>>>>>> know that beats me.  But then, how do these guide dogs for the
>>>>>> visually impaired pass the blindfold test?  So maybe my theory is
>>>>>> full of holes, but it doesn't seem like training is as rigorous as
>>>>>> it used to be, if one can believe books.
>>>>>> Tracy


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