[nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

[Tina Thomas]

The class for partials was a long while back and I think it was just a
trial. I haven't heard of GDB  offering  classes with this type structure in
a very long time. 
Tina


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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Juanita Herrera
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:35 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?

Tina, I believe that they have had classes with students of partial vision,
but I don't think they have purposely planned it. I'm a total and they did
not train me differently than my other classmates who were partials.
Juanita and Anise

On 7/25/12, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tracey- That could be true. I know in the past GDB has had classes 
> with just partials.
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Wild GDB rumor?
>
> Hi Juanita.
> I don't think you need to ask, unless you want to.
>
> I have heard that GDB now gives individualized instruction (though it 
> seemed pretty personalized when I was there years ago.)  I wonder if 
> they are telling high partials one thing, and totally blind people 
> another?
> Though, if they are, it's still a rotten idea to step in front of the 
> dog, even if you think you see well enough.  It would limit the person 
> from using the dog in situations where he or she wasn't seeing well.
> The whole thing seems screwy.  Which is why I thought it might be a 
> wild rumor.
> Tracy
>
>> Tracy, that is totally a wild rumor. I just graduated from GDB six 
>> months ago, and not unless things have changed since then, we are not 
>> to walk ahead of our dogs at any time. The dog is called a guide dog 
>> for a reason, to guide. Also, we may give leash Q's, but only if we 
>> have an idea of where we are. Not if we are absolutely unsure of our 
>> surroundings. GDB is actually going to be having a presentation at my 
>> job on Friday. I can ask if things have changed if you'd like me to.
>> Juanita and Anise
>>
>> On 7/25/12, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>> The other day, a friend shared with me the things she heard about at 
>>> the ACB convention.  One thing that shocked us both was that GDB is 
>>> teaching people, when there is a narrow path, to step *ahead* of the 
>>> dog!  Say what!!!  I've done that, and lived to tell the tale and 
>>> learn from my mistake, but it's a darned good way to get hurt or 
>>> killed.  Is this just a wild rumor, or is it an example of trainers 
>>> being out of touch with reality?  Or has GDB become Guide Dogs for 
>>> the High Partials?  Well, high partials who never go out at night, 
>>> because it would be too dangerous and scary.
>>> Surely this isn't actually what GDB is teaching?
>>> Another thing my friend heard is that, if the dog is unsure of how 
>>> to go around an obstacle, the person is supposed to direct the dog 
>>> using the leash--give a leash cue.  Great, if you can tell where to go.
>>> Me, I usually can't, being, you know, blind!
>>>
>>> Anyhow, any recent GDB graduate want to confirm or deny this rumor?
>>>
>>> I have been pondering a new theory:  guide dogs used to be trained 
>>> as if their partners would be totally blind, and now they're being 
>>> trained as if their partners will have some usable vision.  I've 
>>> occasionally thought that Ben might have done better sooner if he 
>>> had a person who could tell faster when he was getting ready to cop 
>>> a sniff, for instance.  And our trainer seemed to think I should 
>>> know when bushes were coming up, though just how I would know that 
>>> beats me.  But then, how do these guide dogs for the visually 
>>> impaired pass the blindfold test?  So maybe my theory is full of 
>>> holes, but it doesn't seem like training is as rigorous as it used 
>>> to be, if one can believe books.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
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