[nagdu] Picking up the busy busy when you've parked your dog. lol

[Dailyah Patt]

Hi Julie,

I live in the SF Bay Area and, at least around here, there are enough disabled folks with dogs who could need the exemption that it's undoubtedly less hassle for everyone impacted to just paint with a broad brush.  And, honestly, the only times I've had it come up is with The ProBoneO Program...disputes with neighbors or businesses that are less than friendly to the entire Service Dog concept where it's come to a head because the disabled person is unable to scoop the poop.

Ann, "reasonable accommodation" is something that can be considered when it comes to public access.  Miniature horses provide an easy example of this.  While miniature horses do not meet the revised definition of Service Animal under the ADA, they should be considered as a potential reasonable accommodation with respect to access.  They aren't Service Animals, but the DOJ guidelines suggest that places like restaurants allow the miniature guide horse if they are able to do so without putting anyone in danger, fundamentally altering how they have to do business, etc.  So, they're not Service Animals.  They're an allowable reasonable accommodation.

Respectfully,
Dailyah


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> From: Ann Edie <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
>Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Picking up the busy busy when you've parked your dog. lol
> 
>Hi, Julie,
>
>It is my understanding that "reasonable accommodations" come into play in
>employment situations and educational situations.  I am not aware that the
>concept of "reasonable accommodations" applies to the situation of "access
>to places of public accommodation".  However, if access to public places
>were to be denied to a person with a disability because he/she was unable to
>pick up after his/her service animal, I guess that might be considered
>discrimination on the basis of disability, and I suppose the entity would be
>required to make an exception to its ordinance or policy requiring that
>people pick up after their dogs for the person with a disability that makes
>picking up impossible.
>
>Best,
>Ann
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Julie J.
>Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 3:24 PM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Picking up the busy busy when you've parked your dog.
>lol
>
>Steve,
>
>Could a person request a reasonable accommodation from the city of not
>picking up after their service dog if they were physically unable to, say
>from some sort of orthopedic disability?
>If a reasonable accommodation could be requested like this, I think it would
>completely negate city ordinances that involve broad groups of people who
>may or may not actually need the exemption.
>
>Julie
>
>
>
>On 6/23/2012 5:18 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>> Wow, never heard of such an ordinance.  I would look at this as 
>> reverse discrimination.  The only way I would ever see a municipal 
>> authority in exempting is if and only if, they had a clause that 
>> provided that they have an alternative means of collecting the waste.  
>> i.e. another person, reacher, doggie pick up business.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Dailyah Patt
>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 3:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Picking up the busy busy when you've parked your dog.
>> lol
>>
>> I think it's probably worth noting that folks should check out their 
>> city municipal code.  A great many cities have exemptions on the books 
>> for folks who are blind or otherwise so physically impaired that 
>> picking up is difficult to impossible.  I am one of those who usually 
>> can't do the baggie thing, so I just make sure my dog is WAY off in 
>> the boonies where the odds of something stepping in it go down 
>> (bushes, tall grass, outskirt of parking lot).  If I have someone with 
>> me, often that person can and will scoop for me - but I wanted to make
>sure that folks are aware of these exemptions.
>>   While it'd be nice if we all could scoop, that's just not reality 
>> and so thankfully many cities exempt disabled persons.
>>
>> Dailyah
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