[nagdu] another comment from a board member
Margo and Arrow
margo.downey at verizon.net
Sat Sep 8 22:01:46 UTC 2012
I am also a NAGDU Board member and I concur with Michael and Tina.
EACH school is different. I see this list as a place for informed choice. It is a place for information and supportiveness. It is not a place to pass judgment on each other but a place
to be supportive and sometimes to be gently firm, but, not critical or judgmental.
thanks.
Margo and Arrow
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Date: Saturday, Sep 8, 2012 03:42:07 PM
Subject: [nagdu] another comment from a board member
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> As NAGDU Vice President, let me add to Tina's comments. Ann Edie wrote an
> incredibly perceptive and right-on post this morning. Her comments reflect
> my thinking and they apply to all of us, especially those who have recently
> come home with a new guide dog. We ALL can learn from Ann's comments.
>
> On the specific subject of traffic checks I will not pass judgment on any
> process that helps improve a guide dog in training to perform proper
> intelligent disobedience. As we all know there are many techniques schools
> can use. I know that GDB uses different methods than TSE. Some schools do
> not instruct on traffic checks at all. Rather than any of us passing
> judgment go advocate for change at a school if you feel so strongly on the
> subject. However, DO NOT just condemn without knowing more and also please
> remember that your comments on this list go out to all including those who
> have not yet developed the confidence you may have in your dog and in your
> team dynamic.
>
> I think we have spent enough time on the current subject of traffic checks.
> We also have spent enough time on passing judgment on a new team and its
> confidence. If you have positive things to say and instructive thoughts to
> pass along then do so. If not, let's all these threads to cool off. No one
> should feel they need to leave the list or stop discussing because of
> exuberance on the part of others. What any of us say may have consequences
> we do not anticipate so think before you write.
>
> We all have passion about our guides, our work, and our individual schools.
> Let your enthusiasm shine through, but don't go overboard here. Thanks for
> reading.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
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@> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:24 AM
> To: 'Nagdu Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU Board Member response I'm done
>
> Hi All-
> I am going to put my NAGDU board member hat on for this post.
> Now A post was written by someone asking for advice on their dog regarding
> traffic and crossing streets with a new dog. Apparently the dog was
> corrected in class for getting to close to the car, and the instructor
> accidently hit the dog close to the eye area which caused the dog to shut
> down for a sort down. However the post also stated that the dog bounced back
> with in a week's time. Now the handler and dog are at home and going through
> their daily routine and while on route the team was crossing a street and
> encountered some issues in the street. According to the handler, a
> by-stander helped him get across the street after the dog stopped and was
> starting to veer. Now not knowing the dynamics of the team and to speculate
> and focus on an issue that took place in class is and blame that one issue
> for the situation that happened is irrational thinking being that none of us
> know what is really going on with that team. Being that he is a graduate of
> the Seeingeye, we did encourage him to call the school and get some feedback
> for this situation because they do have the necessary information to best
> assist him. I the meantime there have been some exchanges between listers
> on SE's method for traffic training. Some of us don't have a problem with
> this approach and some us do. However, what has happened is that the person
> who disagrees with the method is continuing to send the same message out
> containing the same repertory information stating her disagreement with said
> method. Now I did see a message that was a bit strong in its content
> concerning this issue and I too wrote a message stating that we understand
> your disagreement with SE's method but the message I posted concerning this
> issue was not rude at all. We can't allow folks to clutter up the list with
> the same repertory information in several consecutive messages. We have a
> lot of listers and it is to much mail to go through and read list mail
> containing the same repertory responses. Also, the moderator has asked that
> this issue be dropped and I support her decision. Now if people are writing
> privately and being disrespectful to one another over this issue, then
> please do write the moderator and she will deal with it, but as of right now
> this issue is dropped and let's move on.
> Thank you.
> Tina Thomas
> NAGDU Board Member
> CAGDU VP.
>
>
@> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 8:24 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm done
>
> Hi, Jenny.
>
> You have just as much right as anyone else to express your opinion. There
> are people who won't agree, and who might even become hostile when you say
> something that they don't agree with. However, that, too, is their opinion.
> I'd like to think people can disagree in a civil manner, but this isn't
> always the case.
>
> Basically, I'm just saying that there's no reason you should feel stifled by
> others. Say what you feel needs saying.
>
> Shannon and Ace
> Shannon Dyer
> Alumni Council Member,
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> On Sep 7, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am so sorry I have questioned the oldest and most reputable school
> > in the countries guide dog school
> >
> > I will no longer voice my opinions, as I have gotten two rude and
> > uncalled
> for responses to my opinions.
> >
> > Just because a school, or organization, is the oldest and most
> > reputable,
> doesn't mean they are GOD Almighty as far as infallibility.
> >
> > there are a lot of practices that occurred in old and well-known
> institutions, and even this country, that were wrong and had to be changed.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm finished voicing my opinions, as obviously no one wants to
> hear them, and I'm not a graduate of certain schools who know much more than
> I about dogs. So I'll keep my mouth shut.
> >
> > Jenny
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