[nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHYguide dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of herdying wish

Fri Apr 12 13:57:09 UTC 2013

Speaking only for myself, I wish people would drop this topic.  It's quite 
distressing to me, and there's nothing I can do to make it better.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHYguide dogiskilledandburied 
alongside her in fulfilment of herdying wish

> You know, Jenny this is the best option and one I hadn't thought of.
> I wonder if this was what the woman in the article meant, and her son
> misunderstood, or just didn't want to deal with the dog?
>
> I also want to know if the vet that put the dog down did anything wrong 
> per
> ethical and legal codes.  I'm not clear that they did.  I personally
> disagree with it, but that doesn't mean it was legally or ethically wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:34 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide
> dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>
> Hi have to say that it brings me to tears just thinking about it.
>
> If I were in her position, I guess I'd selfishly want that.
>
> But since I plan to be cremated, I would have my husband take the dog and
> retire it.  When the dog dies, naturally of course, then it will be 
> cremated
> and put in an earn next to me.
>
> That way, the dog will live out a happy lfe.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:54 PM, "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Christel and list, In the U.S. many animal shelters still kill dogs
>> they cannot adopt. That's why spaying or neutering pets is so
>> important so unwanted puppies or kittens don't come into the world.
>>
>> Sherri
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Christel Sogenbits" <christel.chrissu at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide
>> dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>
>>
>> I totally agree with that. And this was my point allso. I think most
>> of people  take pets and working animals as their family members but I
>> allso can see what makes it so hard to regulate animals rights with
>> laws. We all know  that  animals have feelings and they have
>> personality. But how is it right to regulate different questions? Like
>> for example what kind of food to give  animals? Cant people who dont
>> have a lot of money take a animal beacuse they cant buy  the animal
>> high quality food? Or maybe  a person who wants to give  a pet ordinary
> food like meat and stuff like that?
>> I just say that in a world there are millions of people and we all
>> think differently. And  yes I think so allso that it was wrong to put
>> that dog down but I allso think that  the ladyes son tought that it
>> was right desigion and nobody  cant make change hes mind.
>> I say once again. I think allso that it was sad and against  our moral
>> judgement but we cant agree on every question or situation.
>> For example in Estonia  at shelters for pets was a rule years ago that
>> if people dont take a dog  during a few weeks then  the dog will be
>> put down. I dont know how is it now. I hope it is changed.
>> Believe me, I dont say that it is okay to put down  a pet who is
>> healthy. I think it is very sad and unfair but my logical  side says
>> that people are the highest  in hiarchi and thats the fact.
>> I hope  you understand my  poor english and dont think that im saying
>> that it was okay what the son did. Beacuse once again- my personal
>> opinion  is that it was not right.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tervitades / With greetings
>> Christel Sogenbits
>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lyn Gwizdak
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:06 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog
>> iskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>
>> Christal,
>> Yes, attitudes towards animals differ from country to country and
>> cultures differ.  In the U.S., people tend to look at animals as a
>> family member and they are treated like the people's kids even!
>>
>> On the other hand, animals in the U.S are also treated as property
>> under the law - you know like a car or house.  In the U.S. our pets
>> are treated like family but food animals are treated with cruelty and 
>> that
> seems to be OK.
>> It is weird for sure!  The whole thing is AFU.
>>
>> We need to change the law to reflect how our society views animals and
>> the ones who work for us.  Just because the law says we can disposes
>> of an animal as we wish, it doesn;t make it MORALLY right.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 8:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog
>> iskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>
>>
>>> Sure it was their decision. But here's the deal. The dog could have
>>> no say in it; for some it would be like killing your child and having
>>> it buried with you, and that helplessness would be the same factor.
>>> The dog could have been given a new home where it would have thrived.
>>> The woman, at least as we know it, would have no further need of the
>>> dog, so why should it honestly matter to her that the dog be taken
>>> out of its
>> life.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Christel Sogenbits wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> Please dont understand me wrong. I think  it was therrible desigion
>>>> what they did  and  Im so sorry for the dog. But it is sayd in the
>>>> article that the dog was their property not any of the schools. And
>>>> this is the most painful thing for me, or us, who we  understand how
>>>> much they can give to people  - they are just things if we watch it
>>>> from the legal point of view.
>>>> Things what are legal are not always right from the moral point of 
>>>> view.
>>>> And
>>>> absolutley whatever situation what we can take for example  Im sure
>>>> that there are people who will be on the opposite sides of the
>>>> result and say that it was wrong or it was right or it was
>>>> something what had to be done or it is just life.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from sunny Estonia!:)smile:)
>>>>
>>>> Tervitades / With greetings
>>>> Christel Sogenbits
>>>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>>>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>>>> Cuddemi
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 4:08 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is
>>>> killedandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe someone would do this sort of thing. The dying woman
>>>> could've easily given the dog back to the school before she died.
>>>>
>>>> Forgive me for saying this, but the woman was being selfish! She
>>>> wasn't thinking of Toffee!
>>>>
>>>> This precious dog could've been matched up with someone!
>>>>
>>>> I would never ever think of putting Motley through something like
> this...
>>
>>>> I
>>>> just have no words...
>>>>
>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of daniel
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:45 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is
>>>> killedandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>
>>>> wow, I'm sorry if I offend anyone by saying this, but that is horrible.
>>>> Killing such a great animal just because someone wants them in there
>>>> coffin?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Criminaljusticemajor Extraordinarie" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:01 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is killed
>>>> andburied
>>>>
>>>> alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is killed and buried alongside her
>>>>> in fulfilment of her dying wish The family of a blind woman who
>>>>> killed her healthy guide dog so it could be buried alongside her
>>>>> have suffered a hate campaign and received death threats, it was
>>>>> revealed today.
>>>>> Shelia Stadler, 68, from Terre Haute, Indiana, died of cancer with
>>>>> her five-year-old guide dog Toffee by her side last month.
>>>>> A few days later later her son Andy had the healthy dog put down so
>>>>> it could placed in Mrs Stadler's coffin to fulfil her dying wish.
>>>>> But the controversial decision to destroy the dog has provoked a
>>>>> huge backlash in the town with Mrs Stadler's son receiving death
>>>>> threats - and even suffering abuse from members of his own family.
>>>>> Heartbroken: Sheila Stadle apparently couldn't bear to part with
>>>>> her guide
>>>>
>>>>> dog when she died
>>>>> Faithful companion: Healthy five-year old Toffee was apparently put
>>>>> to sleep and buried at the request of his owner (file picture) 'How
>>>>> could they do it?' Gregory Reilly from the Honey Creek Animal
>>>>> Hospital was wrongly implicated as having put the dog down, and
>>>>> believes the decision to do so was questionable Gregory Reilly, a
>>>>> veterinary assistant with the local Honey Creek Animal Hospital,
>>>>> said: 'It got totally out of control. The neighborhood was really
>>>>> angry. People were saying they should burn in hell. Terrible things
>>>>
>>>>> were said.
>>>>> 'Mr Stadler told me he had received death threats and a member of
>>>>> his own family wrote on a Facebook page that she could not believe
>>>>> he had done it.'
>>>>> Mr Reilly was also caught up in the furore after being blamed
>>>>> wrongly for putting Toffee down.
>>>>> He said: 'We would never euthanise a dog - we simply find them a
>>>>> new home.
>>>>
>>>>> All I did was try to find out whether what the Stadler's did was 
>>>>> legal.
>>>>> 'It seems very morbid to me but unfortunately as the dog was their
>>>>> property, it was perfectly legal.'
>>>>> Mrs Stadler died on March 8, and had expressed a wish to her family
>>>>> that she should be buried with her beloved labrador Toffee.
>>>>> Her son Andrew, a tax accountant, then carried out her instructions
>>>>> after saying the dog had shown signs of mourning and 'wandered
>>>>> aimlessly' in the
>>>>
>>>>> days after Mrs Stadler died.
>>>>> It is not known when Toffee was euthanized but the story first
>>>>> emerged on WTHITV, which stated: 'Shelia Stadler, 68, of Brazil,
>>>>> died March 8 at home
>>>>
>>>>> with her service animal, Toffee, at her side.
>>>>> 'Days later, the Stadler family had Toffee, a perfectly healthy
>>>>> 5-year-old
>>>>
>>>>> dog, euthanized, displayed in the coffin at Shelia's visitation,
>>>>> and buried with her in Summit Lawn Cemetery right outside Brazil.'
>>>>> In mourning: DeBaun Funeral Homes and Crematory's obituary said
>>>>> that Toffee had been Sheila's 'constant companion for five years'
>>>>> It cited an obituary saying: 'She loved Toffee, her seeing-eye dog
>>>>> and constant companion for five years.'
>>>>> But when the report provoked a storm of criticism against Mrs
>>>>> Stadler's family, station boss Todd Webber withdrew the story from
>>>>> the website and refused to comment on the reasons why.
>>>>> Mr Reilly said: 'The family and the station have taken a lot of
>>>>> heat on this. There was a Facebook page with so much criticism on
>>>>> that they had to
>>>>
>>>>> take it down.'
>>>>> The Dogs Trust said:  'There is never any reason to put a healthy
>>>>> dog to sleep when it could be happily rehomed.
>>>>> 'We hope that this sad story could never be repeated in the UK.
>>>>> Guide Dogs UK also made it clear that this case was unacceptable.
>>>>> Oliver Barton, regional director, said: 'We would never condone this.
>>>>> Whatever happens, we would make sure that the dog was happy and
>>>>> cared for'
>>>>> Paying tribute to Mrs Stadler, the DeBaun Funeral Home refused to
>>>>> comment on its involvement in displaying the euthanized dog but
>>>>> said that she had been a 'dedicated homemaker' whose favourite book
>>>>> was the Bible.
>>>>> Mrs Stadler is not the only owner to request such a burial in
>>>>> recent years.
>>>>> NBC reported that Tom Tom, a healthy 2-year-old Yorkshire terrier
>>>>> was put down so that he could be buried with his owner, Donald
>>>>> Ellis from Arkansas.
>>>>> His sister said that she had 'a lot of grief for doing this, but
>>>>> it's what
>>>>
>>>>> my brother wanted.'
>>>>> Emily Kinney from Dallas, Texas told NBC that her grandmother asked
>>>>> for her Shih-tzu Sam to be buried in her coffin. She said that 'she
>>>>> wanted her
>>>>
>>>>> best friend with her'.
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303841/Blind-woman-s-HEALTH
>>>> Y
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