[nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHYguide dogiskilledandburiedalongside her in fulfilment of herdying wish

Fri Apr 12 16:18:26 UTC 2013

thank you I was thinking the same thing this morning.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHYguide 
dogiskilledandburiedalongside her in fulfilment of herdying wish

> Speaking only for myself, I wish people would drop this topic.  It's quite 
> distressing to me, and there's nothing I can do to make it better.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHYguide 
> dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of herdying wish
>
>
>> You know, Jenny this is the best option and one I hadn't thought of.
>> I wonder if this was what the woman in the article meant, and her son
>> misunderstood, or just didn't want to deal with the dog?
>>
>> I also want to know if the vet that put the dog down did anything wrong 
>> per
>> ethical and legal codes.  I'm not clear that they did.  I personally
>> disagree with it, but that doesn't mean it was legally or ethically 
>> wrong.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:34 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide
>> dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>
>> Hi have to say that it brings me to tears just thinking about it.
>>
>> If I were in her position, I guess I'd selfishly want that.
>>
>> But since I plan to be cremated, I would have my husband take the dog and
>> retire it.  When the dog dies, naturally of course, then it will be 
>> cremated
>> and put in an earn next to me.
>>
>> That way, the dog will live out a happy lfe.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:54 PM, "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Christel and list, In the U.S. many animal shelters still kill dogs
>>> they cannot adopt. That's why spaying or neutering pets is so
>>> important so unwanted puppies or kittens don't come into the world.
>>>
>>> Sherri
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Christel Sogenbits" <christel.chrissu at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide
>>> dogiskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>
>>>
>>> I totally agree with that. And this was my point allso. I think most
>>> of people  take pets and working animals as their family members but I
>>> allso can see what makes it so hard to regulate animals rights with
>>> laws. We all know  that  animals have feelings and they have
>>> personality. But how is it right to regulate different questions? Like
>>> for example what kind of food to give  animals? Cant people who dont
>>> have a lot of money take a animal beacuse they cant buy  the animal
>>> high quality food? Or maybe  a person who wants to give  a pet ordinary
>> food like meat and stuff like that?
>>> I just say that in a world there are millions of people and we all
>>> think differently. And  yes I think so allso that it was wrong to put
>>> that dog down but I allso think that  the ladyes son tought that it
>>> was right desigion and nobody  cant make change hes mind.
>>> I say once again. I think allso that it was sad and against  our moral
>>> judgement but we cant agree on every question or situation.
>>> For example in Estonia  at shelters for pets was a rule years ago that
>>> if people dont take a dog  during a few weeks then  the dog will be
>>> put down. I dont know how is it now. I hope it is changed.
>>> Believe me, I dont say that it is okay to put down  a pet who is
>>> healthy. I think it is very sad and unfair but my logical  side says
>>> that people are the highest  in hiarchi and thats the fact.
>>> I hope  you understand my  poor english and dont think that im saying
>>> that it was okay what the son did. Beacuse once again- my personal
>>> opinion  is that it was not right.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tervitades / With greetings
>>> Christel Sogenbits
>>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lyn Gwizdak
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:06 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog
>>> iskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>
>>> Christal,
>>> Yes, attitudes towards animals differ from country to country and
>>> cultures differ.  In the U.S., people tend to look at animals as a
>>> family member and they are treated like the people's kids even!
>>>
>>> On the other hand, animals in the U.S are also treated as property
>>> under the law - you know like a car or house.  In the U.S. our pets
>>> are treated like family but food animals are treated with cruelty and 
>>> that
>> seems to be OK.
>>> It is weird for sure!  The whole thing is AFU.
>>>
>>> We need to change the law to reflect how our society views animals and
>>> the ones who work for us.  Just because the law says we can disposes
>>> of an animal as we wish, it doesn;t make it MORALLY right.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 8:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog
>>> iskilledandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sure it was their decision. But here's the deal. The dog could have
>>>> no say in it; for some it would be like killing your child and having
>>>> it buried with you, and that helplessness would be the same factor.
>>>> The dog could have been given a new home where it would have thrived.
>>>> The woman, at least as we know it, would have no further need of the
>>>> dog, so why should it honestly matter to her that the dog be taken
>>>> out of its
>>> life.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Christel Sogenbits wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please dont understand me wrong. I think  it was therrible desigion
>>>>> what they did  and  Im so sorry for the dog. But it is sayd in the
>>>>> article that the dog was their property not any of the schools. And
>>>>> this is the most painful thing for me, or us, who we  understand how
>>>>> much they can give to people  - they are just things if we watch it
>>>>> from the legal point of view.
>>>>> Things what are legal are not always right from the moral point of 
>>>>> view.
>>>>> And
>>>>> absolutley whatever situation what we can take for example  Im sure
>>>>> that there are people who will be on the opposite sides of the
>>>>> result and say that it was wrong or it was right or it was
>>>>> something what had to be done or it is just life.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings from sunny Estonia!:)smile:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Tervitades / With greetings
>>>>> Christel Sogenbits
>>>>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>>>>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>>>>> Cuddemi
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 4:08 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is
>>>>> killedandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe someone would do this sort of thing. The dying woman
>>>>> could've easily given the dog back to the school before she died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me for saying this, but the woman was being selfish! She
>>>>> wasn't thinking of Toffee!
>>>>>
>>>>> This precious dog could've been matched up with someone!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would never ever think of putting Motley through something like
>> this...
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> just have no words...
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of daniel
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 6:45 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is
>>>>> killedandburied alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>>
>>>>> wow, I'm sorry if I offend anyone by saying this, but that is 
>>>>> horrible.
>>>>> Killing such a great animal just because someone wants them in there
>>>>> coffin?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Criminaljusticemajor Extraordinarie" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:01 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Article: Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is killed
>>>>> andburied
>>>>>
>>>>> alongside her in fulfilment of her dying wish
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blind womans HEALTHY guide dog is killed and buried alongside her
>>>>>> in fulfilment of her dying wish The family of a blind woman who
>>>>>> killed her healthy guide dog so it could be buried alongside her
>>>>>> have suffered a hate campaign and received death threats, it was
>>>>>> revealed today.
>>>>>> Shelia Stadler, 68, from Terre Haute, Indiana, died of cancer with
>>>>>> her five-year-old guide dog Toffee by her side last month.
>>>>>> A few days later later her son Andy had the healthy dog put down so
>>>>>> it could placed in Mrs Stadler's coffin to fulfil her dying wish.
>>>>>> But the controversial decision to destroy the dog has provoked a
>>>>>> huge backlash in the town with Mrs Stadler's son receiving death
>>>>>> threats - and even suffering abuse from members of his own family.
>>>>>> Heartbroken: Sheila Stadle apparently couldn't bear to part with
>>>>>> her guide
>>>>>
>>>>>> dog when she died
>>>>>> Faithful companion: Healthy five-year old Toffee was apparently put
>>>>>> to sleep and buried at the request of his owner (file picture) 'How
>>>>>> could they do it?' Gregory Reilly from the Honey Creek Animal
>>>>>> Hospital was wrongly implicated as having put the dog down, and
>>>>>> believes the decision to do so was questionable Gregory Reilly, a
>>>>>> veterinary assistant with the local Honey Creek Animal Hospital,
>>>>>> said: 'It got totally out of control. The neighborhood was really
>>>>>> angry. People were saying they should burn in hell. Terrible things
>>>>>
>>>>>> were said.
>>>>>> 'Mr Stadler told me he had received death threats and a member of
>>>>>> his own family wrote on a Facebook page that she could not believe
>>>>>> he had done it.'
>>>>>> Mr Reilly was also caught up in the furore after being blamed
>>>>>> wrongly for putting Toffee down.
>>>>>> He said: 'We would never euthanise a dog - we simply find them a
>>>>>> new home.
>>>>>
>>>>>> All I did was try to find out whether what the Stadler's did was 
>>>>>> legal.
>>>>>> 'It seems very morbid to me but unfortunately as the dog was their
>>>>>> property, it was perfectly legal.'
>>>>>> Mrs Stadler died on March 8, and had expressed a wish to her family
>>>>>> that she should be buried with her beloved labrador Toffee.
>>>>>> Her son Andrew, a tax accountant, then carried out her instructions
>>>>>> after saying the dog had shown signs of mourning and 'wandered
>>>>>> aimlessly' in the
>>>>>
>>>>>> days after Mrs Stadler died.
>>>>>> It is not known when Toffee was euthanized but the story first
>>>>>> emerged on WTHITV, which stated: 'Shelia Stadler, 68, of Brazil,
>>>>>> died March 8 at home
>>>>>
>>>>>> with her service animal, Toffee, at her side.
>>>>>> 'Days later, the Stadler family had Toffee, a perfectly healthy
>>>>>> 5-year-old
>>>>>
>>>>>> dog, euthanized, displayed in the coffin at Shelia's visitation,
>>>>>> and buried with her in Summit Lawn Cemetery right outside Brazil.'
>>>>>> In mourning: DeBaun Funeral Homes and Crematory's obituary said
>>>>>> that Toffee had been Sheila's 'constant companion for five years'
>>>>>> It cited an obituary saying: 'She loved Toffee, her seeing-eye dog
>>>>>> and constant companion for five years.'
>>>>>> But when the report provoked a storm of criticism against Mrs
>>>>>> Stadler's family, station boss Todd Webber withdrew the story from
>>>>>> the website and refused to comment on the reasons why.
>>>>>> Mr Reilly said: 'The family and the station have taken a lot of
>>>>>> heat on this. There was a Facebook page with so much criticism on
>>>>>> that they had to
>>>>>
>>>>>> take it down.'
>>>>>> The Dogs Trust said:  'There is never any reason to put a healthy
>>>>>> dog to sleep when it could be happily rehomed.
>>>>>> 'We hope that this sad story could never be repeated in the UK.
>>>>>> Guide Dogs UK also made it clear that this case was unacceptable.
>>>>>> Oliver Barton, regional director, said: 'We would never condone this.
>>>>>> Whatever happens, we would make sure that the dog was happy and
>>>>>> cared for'
>>>>>> Paying tribute to Mrs Stadler, the DeBaun Funeral Home refused to
>>>>>> comment on its involvement in displaying the euthanized dog but
>>>>>> said that she had been a 'dedicated homemaker' whose favourite book
>>>>>> was the Bible.
>>>>>> Mrs Stadler is not the only owner to request such a burial in
>>>>>> recent years.
>>>>>> NBC reported that Tom Tom, a healthy 2-year-old Yorkshire terrier
>>>>>> was put down so that he could be buried with his owner, Donald
>>>>>> Ellis from Arkansas.
>>>>>> His sister said that she had 'a lot of grief for doing this, but
>>>>>> it's what
>>>>>
>>>>>> my brother wanted.'
>>>>>> Emily Kinney from Dallas, Texas told NBC that her grandmother asked
>>>>>> for her Shih-tzu Sam to be buried in her coffin. She said that 'she
>>>>>> wanted her
>>>>>
>>>>>> best friend with her'.
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303841/Blind-woman-s-HEALTH
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