[nagdu] Naming names

Thu Apr 18 18:29:30 UTC 2013

Yeah, Julie,
You are right on the mark here.  I have been around a LOT of guide dog users 
since 1971 and they had dogs from a variety of schools and a variety of 
breeds.  And a variety of experiences at their schools or with their dogs.

I have been to a variety of schools myself and have shared my own 
experiences at the schools.  I also like seeing the owner-trainers on the 
list.  they have another perspective on guide dogs that are different from 
those of us who go to schools.  I value ALL of the experiences found on this 
list.

All we really need to keep in mind is that ALL of us has a right to express 
our own opinions and it can be done respectfully as it should be.

Yeah, we are a good bunch here! LOL!

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names

> Eve,
>
> I don't agree with your assertion that people should not be using this 
> list to find out about the various guide dog programs.  You suggest that 
> people should go directly to the source, the guide dog program.
>
> I view getting a guide dog like any other consumer acquisition.  Let's say 
> I'm in the market for a car.  I'm thinking about a Fordor a Toyota.  I go 
> to the Ford dealership and ask about their cars.  They are going to tell 
> me all the wonderful things about their cars and how they are better than 
> the rest. Then I go to the Toyota dealer and guess what? they tell me all 
> the same things except of course their cars are the best, even better than 
> Ford.  So how do I figure out what is what and who to believe?  I go to 
> the users.
>
> I start asking my friends who use the products I'm interested in about 
> their experiences and satisfaction.  When I'm out and about I notice the 
> products I'm interested in in use.  I make a note of whether or not I like 
> what I'm hearing and observing.   I make my decision based on all the 
> information I have gathered.
>
> I think this list and others like it, are the exact right place to get 
> information about guide dogs from actual users.
>
> Over the years I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of guide dog 
> users and program staff.  I've been around a lot of guide dog teams and 
> have seen first hand how they work in a real life situation.  If I had 
> called the schools or read the info on their web sites I would in no way 
> have the same understanding of what they are offering.
>
> All that said I think there absolutely needs to be respectful discussion. 
> Perhaps I have a much higher tolerance for negativity than others, but I 
> rarely see bashing or flaming on this list.  I'm totally okay with people 
> respectfully disagreeing with an idea.  I also think it's very important 
> for people to limit their sharing with firsthand accounts.  The stuff that 
> begins with my next door neighbor's, hairdressers brother had a guide dog 
> from XYZ and I heard it was horrid are truly inappropriate.  I honestly 
> see no problem with a statement like, "I had a guide dog from XYZ and it 
> was horrid."  That's not hearsay or gossip.  That's a honest firsthand 
> account.
>
> Anyway that's my .02 for what it's worth.
> Julie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:50 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>
> Yes, the issue here (that I think Marsha is trying to get across) is
> that people are using names without knowing facts. They think they
> know, but rumors spread and falsehoods abound and soon what is being
> said (though well meaning) is a bunch of lies that could be considered
> bashing. People should not be learning from people on this list which
> schools are great and which are not, because it is opinions and hear
> say. People should be able to learn from the source they wish to
> investigate. What we should be learning here is our own experiences of
> occurances, how-to's, and what works for us. We can only honestly
> report about ourselves. I am not saying anyone here would
> intentionally lie, but people make mistakes or are just plain wrong.
> When the names are thrown out with false formation or the bashing
> comments, it does cause blood pressures to rise. As for me, I am
> getting sick of this entire thread. The rules are laid out. Accept
> them. If people want to quit the list because they cannot handle the
> rules then good riddance. Can we get back to talking about our dogs
> now? Eve
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> 
> wrote:
>> Well said, there is a big difference between honest discussion between 
>> handlers and putting others down for the choices that they need to make.
>>
>> Sheila Leigland
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