[nagdu] Naming names

Thu Apr 18 19:42:45 UTC 2013

Well isn't the purpose of this list to share information with each other and 
the public?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names


> Yeah, Julie,
> You are right on the mark here.  I have been around a LOT of guide dog 
> users since 1971 and they had dogs from a variety of schools and a variety 
> of breeds.  And a variety of experiences at their schools or with their 
> dogs.
>
> I have been to a variety of schools myself and have shared my own 
> experiences at the schools.  I also like seeing the owner-trainers on the 
> list.  they have another perspective on guide dogs that are different from 
> those of us who go to schools.  I value ALL of the experiences found on 
> this list.
>
> All we really need to keep in mind is that ALL of us has a right to 
> express our own opinions and it can be done respectfully as it should be.
>
> Yeah, we are a good bunch here! LOL!
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>
>
>> Eve,
>>
>> I don't agree with your assertion that people should not be using this 
>> list to find out about the various guide dog programs.  You suggest that 
>> people should go directly to the source, the guide dog program.
>>
>> I view getting a guide dog like any other consumer acquisition.  Let's 
>> say I'm in the market for a car.  I'm thinking about a Fordor a Toyota. 
>> I go to the Ford dealership and ask about their cars.  They are going to 
>> tell me all the wonderful things about their cars and how they are better 
>> than the rest. Then I go to the Toyota dealer and guess what? they tell 
>> me all the same things except of course their cars are the best, even 
>> better than Ford.  So how do I figure out what is what and who to 
>> believe?  I go to the users.
>>
>> I start asking my friends who use the products I'm interested in about 
>> their experiences and satisfaction.  When I'm out and about I notice the 
>> products I'm interested in in use.  I make a note of whether or not I 
>> like what I'm hearing and observing.   I make my decision based on all 
>> the information I have gathered.
>>
>> I think this list and others like it, are the exact right place to get 
>> information about guide dogs from actual users.
>>
>> Over the years I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of guide dog 
>> users and program staff.  I've been around a lot of guide dog teams and 
>> have seen first hand how they work in a real life situation.  If I had 
>> called the schools or read the info on their web sites I would in no way 
>> have the same understanding of what they are offering.
>>
>> All that said I think there absolutely needs to be respectful discussion. 
>> Perhaps I have a much higher tolerance for negativity than others, but I 
>> rarely see bashing or flaming on this list.  I'm totally okay with people 
>> respectfully disagreeing with an idea.  I also think it's very important 
>> for people to limit their sharing with firsthand accounts.  The stuff 
>> that begins with my next door neighbor's, hairdressers brother had a 
>> guide dog from XYZ and I heard it was horrid are truly inappropriate.  I 
>> honestly see no problem with a statement like, "I had a guide dog from 
>> XYZ and it was horrid."  That's not hearsay or gossip.  That's a honest 
>> firsthand account.
>>
>> Anyway that's my .02 for what it's worth.
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Eve Sanchez
>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:50 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Naming names
>>
>> Yes, the issue here (that I think Marsha is trying to get across) is
>> that people are using names without knowing facts. They think they
>> know, but rumors spread and falsehoods abound and soon what is being
>> said (though well meaning) is a bunch of lies that could be considered
>> bashing. People should not be learning from people on this list which
>> schools are great and which are not, because it is opinions and hear
>> say. People should be able to learn from the source they wish to
>> investigate. What we should be learning here is our own experiences of
>> occurances, how-to's, and what works for us. We can only honestly
>> report about ourselves. I am not saying anyone here would
>> intentionally lie, but people make mistakes or are just plain wrong.
>> When the names are thrown out with false formation or the bashing
>> comments, it does cause blood pressures to rise. As for me, I am
>> getting sick of this entire thread. The rules are laid out. Accept
>> them. If people want to quit the list because they cannot handle the
>> rules then good riddance. Can we get back to talking about our dogs
>> now? Eve
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> Well said, there is a big difference between honest discussion between 
>>> handlers and putting others down for the choices that they need to make.
>>>
>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>
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