[nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 20:57:56 UTC 2013 

Ken, your dog won't be guiding you while you are in the water. Why do you want him there instead of just by the pool?

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On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:36 PM, "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:

> Dogs do not belong in public pools.  There is MUCH more chlorine in those than in private pools.
> 
> Here in San Diego, we have several "dog beaches" where anyone is welcome to bring their dog to play in the surf and sun.  You do need to pick up poop left by your dog.  I have brought past guides there but not Landon.  You need a dog with very good recall skills and Landon sadly lacks this.  I've gone with people who could see so the poop gets picked up.
> 
> Back in 1991, when the first Gulf War was going on, I had a dog at the dog beach in Coronado where the North Island naval Base is located - next to the dog beach.  My dog decided to go visit with the Military Police stationed on the beach nearby!  I thought, "Oh, sh**!" and called my dog.  The MPs thought it was funny and they enjoyed greeting my dog.
> 
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
> 
> 
>> Well, several things interest me here. First, if a person belongs to a condo, can they help make the decissions? Next, if you are on a beach is the life guard responsible for any harm that your dog causes or is caused to them? Third, can you actually take a dog in a public pool and does the chlorine bother the dog? Fourth, how much hair would clog up the filtration system? And Finally, why does one need to take the dog in the water with them in the first place? Except for play, I can't see what job the dog is doing in there for you. I have never seen any dogs in public pools and I would be sure to ask those I know who have private pools or ponds. I had a friend who took his dog to a public beach and let him swim. The dog was awkward in the water and inadvertainly scratched a few of us trying to maintain his balance. We didn't complain but I'm sure some would! When I go to our public pool, I iether leave Holly here or have my wife go and hold the leash. They let her on the deck but not in the pool. I figure, wherever pets can play in the water so can Holly. If in doubt, she don't go in! The idea is that these dogs are performing a service and that service ends at the pool side. In the water they are just like us goofing off in the water! If folks don't want our dogs goofing off in there, I think they can say so. However, they can't tell us that we can't use our dogs to get to the pool area! I'm guessing that if you are part of a condo, folks would have to vote to let your dog play there but they couldn't stop you from bringing it down to the pool side and tieing it down.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>> 
>> 
>>> My friend living in a condo, puts her dog in the crate then goes swimming. Dog takes a nap, then no one complains. I would do the same if I was in a condo.
>>> 
>>> Dar
>>> Every saint has a past,
>>> Every sinner has a future
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Steve, I appreciate your input,
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 6:22 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken, it wouldn't be an ADA issue, but rather a Fair Housing issue if you are
>>>> talking your condo.  Unless, the swimming pool is open to the general
>>>> public, you need to look at fair housing law instead.  Which in that case, I
>>>> would be consulting with the condo association first to see if there is
>>>> anything in writing that either supports or denies this.
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:03 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> I question your " access laws are for people" as I mentioned he is allowed
>>>> to stay in my hospital room with me and every place I go like on the beach
>>>> where dogs are restricted. My purpose of this  inquiry is to get
>>>> clarification on ADA and not personal opinions. Most people I know with
>>>> pools and Labs have them in their pools all the time and that includes my
>>>> vet and what is wrong with "Play Time"?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:57 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Ken,
>>>> 
>>>>   Access laws apply to peo9ple not dogs; you can take him there, but I
>>>> suspect that if they don't want the dog in the pool, especially if residents
>>>> claim allergies, you won't have much to  go on; besides, why would you put
>>>> your dog in highly chlorinated water?
>>>> Curiously, Darla
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 4:27 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the reply. Ace gets shaved once a month, groomed once a week and
>>>> brushed in between so I am not too concerned about the filter and I would
>>>> think ADA would trump any local ordinances but I just can't find a ADA
>>>> ruling  on the subject.
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:06 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>> 
>>>>   So long as it is cool enough, I don't know why you shouldn't take
>>>> him so long as people don't bother him or he bother anyone else.
>>>>   If you're asking about actually allowing him to swim with you, I'm
>>>> not sure there is a law that applies, but it will tend to clog up the pool
>>>> filter  and thus not make the HOA very happy. <grin> Darla & Huck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 3:43 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> I recently attended a continuing education class to maintain my LCAM
>>>> license. During the class the question came up about Guide Dogs in condo
>>>> settings and access to swimming pools.
>>>> 
>>>> The answer was that in most cases Guide Dogs should be thought of as being
>>>> invisible as they were allowed anywhere their owner was.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that my Guide Dog has stayed in my hospital room with me on several
>>>> occasions and is allowed anywhere but the OR.
>>>> 
>>>> I would love to swim in our condo pool but only with my dog as I don't feel
>>>> comfortable without him.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have any information in this regard? I have tried to Google it for an
>>>> answer, and it may be my limited computer skills but I can't find an answer.
>>>> 
>>>> Do have any info on this?
>>>> 
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
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