[nagdu] Suggestions needed!

[minh ha]

Since there is no official registration process in place at the
moment, I imagine it is a lot easier for people to get fake service
dog ID's. A business owner wouldn't be able to tell if it was a fake
as there's no standards. Maybe I'm being naïve, but I figure people
would be more cautious about this kind of stuff if they know that
there is somebody regulating it. After all, bringing your pet to a
restaurant is nice, but it's not like making a fake in order to buy
alcohol or to scam a credit card company. Also, someone on this list
suggested penalties, I say bring it on and add that to the
regulations.

Minh

On 8/17/13, Margo Downey and Arrow <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
> The ADA would have to be changed since it does state that no I D can be
> requested.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:24 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Suggestions needed!
>
> I agree a certification test is asking way too much of a handler, but I
> still think some sort of identification/registration would be a good idea.
> A
> lot of people object to the notion of carrying an ID proving that their
> service animal is legitimate because they would have to disclose their
> disability, but a system can definitely be established where the person can
> still keep their disability private. If an entity could be developed that
> certifies that the animal has been through the necessary training, either
> by
> an organization or a private trainer, and then issue an ID that simply says
> "service animal," it wouldn't infringe on anybody's rights. It would
> probably stop all of this fake service dog stuff too. I'm sure not a lot of
> people would like this idea as they still think it would go against their
> rights or something, but I still like the idea of it being regulated.
>
> Respectfully,
> Minh
>
> On 8/17/13, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I agree keep the government out of it we don't need any more laws. If
>> service dog is not quiet or making problems in a store then he should
>> be made to leave, just like a person can be made to leave store if
>> they are a problem.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Suggestions needed!
>>
>> I think limiting breeds or even identifying specific breeds as common
>> service dogs creates a couple of problems.
>>
>> Every dog is unique and although dogs within a breed will have
>> similarities in temperament, there are always going to be exceptions.
>> I'm sure there are very nice Chihuahua's out there.  I had a Beagle as
>> a kid that was a menace to society.
>>
>> Suggesting or pointing to specific breeds will give the impression
>> that only
>>
>> those breeds can be service dogs.   Different breeds have different
>> talents.
>>
>> What we choose for a guide might be the polar opposite of what someone
>> that needs a hearing dog would choose.  Also there may be things that
>> dogs can do that we haven't discovered yet.  I wouldn't want to say
>> that St. Bernard's can never be used as service dogs, only to find out
>> in 20 years that their saliva contains some enzyme that can be used
>> for pain management for people with advanced arthritis.  I totally
>> made that up, but I don't think we've discovered everything that dogs
>> are capable of helping with yet.
>>
>> My final issue is that the general public is not very good with breed
>> identification.  I had people mistake my Beagle for a pit bull.  And
>> what about the mixed breed dogs?  Just the other day I had someone
>> insist that Monty looked like a Great Dane.  Or at the state fair a
>> couple of years ago, I had someone say he was a pit bull.
>>
>> I think entering into the area of what breeds are used as service dogs
>> will cause more confusion than it will clear up.  Any public education
>> efforts we offer have to be super simple, straightforward and black
>> and white.  The less open for interpretation the better.  Either the
>> dog has fleas and should be asked to leave or he doesn't.  Either the
>> dog pooped on the floor and should be asked to leave or he didn't.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>>
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
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