[nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?

[Tracy Carcione]

This sounds good, but how does one know when someone is faking a disability 
to bring a pet where it couldn't usually go?
Many moons ago, I knew a Seeing Eye dog who became legendary for his poor 
behavior in public, to the annoyance of all of us who keep our dogs under 
good control.  So there are legitimate service dogs who act up, and there 
are people whose disabilities aren't as obvious as blindness.
If a cop or a business owner suspects fraud, does the ask the 2 ADA-allowed 
questions, and, if the answers aren't satisfactory, charge the guy with a 
felony?
Just wondering how this would work in practice.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?


> Again, why?  This is really about you and me having rights, not the 
> animal.
> The present regulations under the ADA offer a way to  determine whether or
> not an aanimal fits the requirements.  If there is a suspicion that the
> animal is not a service animal then something can be done.
>
> I submit that the penalties for fraudulent representation by individuals 
> of
> service animals is the real problem.  We need federal and state laws 
> changed
> to make it a felany to misrepresent and interfere with legitimate service
> animals.  I do NOT want ANY new identification process for me or my dog.
> The problem and burden of proof should not be with me nor you.  The burden
> should fall and the criminals.
>
> There is abundant proof that owner trained animals can and do function 
> well
> as guides.  How are they going to be included in any identification 
> process?
> If the standards of the International Federation of Guide Dog Schools are
> used how will non-accredited schools such as Pilot Dogs going to be
> represented?  Do we want the NFB to be the gating organization?  I think 
> no
> to all of these things.
>
> Put the burden on the criminals and make the consiquences stiff.  If we 
> want
> true first class citizenship then let's demand that we be treated
> appropriately and not segregated off through some additional 
> identification
> or classification process which only serves to again make us seem 
> different
> and not part of the norm.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi Hadfield
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:30 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?
>
> First of all I am not in favor of any type of certification. I do think
> registration identification might be the way to go.If the DOJ could be in
> charge of handing out a specific type of service dog tag at a fee of say,
> $10 to register your service dog.Say you must have a letter from your 
> doctor
> that you do indeed have a disability and a certificate from your 
> trainer,or
> in the case of an owner trainer,a log of the hours of training you
> accomplished and a list of the tasks the dog does to mitigate your
> disability,and or maybe the Canine Good Citizen test in order to register
> with the DOJ.If you have a School trained dog and wanted to register with
> the DOJ, maybe the school ID would be the only proof you would need for
> registration.This would not be mandatory, but only if you wanted to 
> register
> your service dog.I don't think that people who fake their dogs would go
> through all that for a registration ID tag.This would Identify a DOJ
> registered service dog.There might be some fakes that get through but it
> would certainly cut down on them.If the tag were to get lost, a fee of
> $5 could be charged to get a replacement tag.This is merely a suggestion.
> Mardi and Shaman and Neechee,GDIT.
>
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