[nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take pictures of your dog
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Fri Feb 15 04:00:39 UTC 2013
I think it would be much more impressive to have a whole regiment of guide
dogs in parade! All well behaved and looking good!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
pictures of your dog
> Gina, Thanks for clarification. That is unreal, but some people are like
> that I guess. I do not know who you wre talking to about the email
> address,
> probably Lyn, but I will give you mine as I love emails. haha It's
> celticyaya at gmail.com Blessings. Eve
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:12 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>
>> this lady only wanted the lions to work with leader dogs, no other
>> school.
>> She didn't want anyone to be better than she was with her dog.
>> She has passed on now, so I don't have to worry.
>> I will keep after the lions to get us set up for December.
>> So we know when this will happen, and how can we help to pull it off.
>> Our part that is.
>> I knew I was out and about threw out the city and folks would see me.
>> Either at the mall or wall mart, any place like that.
>> I don't have your email address, it doesn't show up.
>> So I am sure I am past my five messages.
>> Original message:
>>
>> Ummm Dar,
>>> This lady is a blind Lion with a guide dog but she doesn't want any
>>> other
>>> guide dog users in the parade - did I hear this right?? If so, what is
>>> that
>>> all about? She can't control her dog?
>>>
>>
>> That reminds me about the time I was at an event in Balboa Park were
>> there
>>> wwere alot of dogs and a mini horse there. The police were doing a
>>> police
>>> dog demonstration - the dog ran to bite the man in the padded suit to
>>> show
>>> how a police dog apprehends a criminal who is trying to flee. I had my
>>> guide dog with me and I had stopped to watch. The cop actually told me
>>> to
>>> move on because my dog was a distraction to the police dog! I said that
>>> maybe he needs to teach his dog to work with distractions like mine was.
>>> My
>>> dog was able to work well with all the distractions aroound at that
>>> event.
>>> the cop had nothing to say to coounter what i said to him. Ballsy me!
>>>
>>
>> Hey, I'd go to the parade anyway and tell that woman to do some refresher
>>> in
>>> distraction work with her dog!
>>>
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>> like
>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>> pictures of your dog
>>>
>>
>>
>> yes we had a lady who was in the parade with her dog.
>>>> She didn't want anyone else to come.
>>>> Especially with a dog.
>>>> She was a lion.
>>>> So we have friends who are lions where we could set it up.
>>>> I will ask early so we can get it started.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>> To be in a parade, one must be associated with a group who is in the
>>>>> parade.
>>>>> I march in our LGBT Pride parade with a group I belong to - actually,
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> have to split myself in twos or threes to march in all the groups I
>>>>> belong
>>>>> to that are contingents in the parade! LOL! Landon and I are also in
>>>>> our
>>>>> neighborhoood Christmas Toyland Parade as part of our contingent from
>>>>> our
>>>>> Blind Community Center. We have our Center's bus in it with the
>>>>> people
>>>>> who
>>>>> can't walk but several of our members with guide dogs do walk in the
>>>>> parade.
>>>>> We decorate our dogs in holiday collars. Landon has learned how to
>>>>> walk
>>>>> in
>>>>> the street in a parade from the many street demonstrations we've been
>>>>> in
>>>>> over the years! He has to teach the other guide dogs who NEVER walk
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> street except for making street crossings. LOL! We do have sighted
>>>>> help
>>>>> in
>>>>> helping us to keep in our contingent, tell us when to stop, turn, and
>>>>> to
>>>>> go
>>>>> after we stop to let the contingents to maintain proper spacing that
>>>>> keeps
>>>>> the parade moving smoothly along. Some people just go sighted guide
>>>>> and
>>>>> heel their dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> For you, join a group that marches in your holiday parade and maybe you
>>>>> can
>>>>> march or be on a float in it. It's alot of fun and people enjoy
>>>>> seeing
>>>>> guide and other service dogs in parades. Remember that street
>>>>> pavement
>>>>> is
>>>>> usually hotter than regular sidewalks. Streets are blacktop which
>>>>> sucks
>>>>> in
>>>>> the heat and most sidewalks are white concrete which repells some of
>>>>> the
>>>>> heat - depends on time of year and location.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> For me to determine when I need to put Landon's booties on, I will place
>>>>> my
>>>>> palm flat on the street. If I go, "Yow!" and pull my hand off in only
>>>>> seconds, it is bootie time! If I can keep my hand there as long as I
>>>>> want
>>>>> to keep it there without discomfort, well, Landon can go barefoot.
>>>>> People
>>>>> want to take Landon's picture in his booties is mainly because most
>>>>> people
>>>>> never give a hot pavement a thought when they briong their dogs out in
>>>>> parades - this happens in the Pride parade and street fairs because
>>>>> these
>>>>> are held in the middle of our summer heat with the strongest sunshine.
>>>>> Countless people have come up to me to thank me for putting booties on
>>>>> my
>>>>> dog and they tell me about the poor dogs who has less than attentive
>>>>> owners.
>>>>> Those dogs are picking up each foot over and over because their pads
>>>>> are
>>>>> burning on the blacktop! Poor doggies!
>>>>>
>>>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>
>>>>
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>> like
>>>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> I need to work with my dog with his booties.
>>>>>> That is a swell idea in a parade to have him wear them.
>>>>>> I would love to see us in the Christmas parade this year.
>>>>>> How far advanced do you need to plan for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> Original message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Eve,
>>>>>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds" and
>>>>>>> "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them. This sucks but is
>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and the
>>>>>>> stigma
>>>>>>> is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked upon as less in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> blind community. On both couonts it is wrong!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because they
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> possess more or full eyesight. I've seen this behavior mainly in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> schools where some people feel the need to dump on someone else -
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> totals. Partials have some sight so they would be in the "sighted
>>>>>>> camp"
>>>>>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted
>>>>>>> (you're
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may begrudge
>>>>>>> partials
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> having some sighted privilege. But we all - totals and partials -
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> get the crap from society that decides what we can or can't do based
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> misconceptions, fear, and plain old bigotry rather than going to the
>>>>>>> experts - those of us with the blindness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of challenges
>>>>>>> although they may vary. I have friends who are fully sighted,
>>>>>>> partially
>>>>>>> sighted, and totally blind - makes no difference to me. I judge
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> what kind of person they are. Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a
>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my bike
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> over town. I agree, we should junk the labels and just become
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> some extra issues to be dealt with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture. Landon's wound up on
>>>>>>> people's Facebook! They all ask me first. Landon was doing
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>> like lie with his head up and his front legs crossed like he was
>>>>>>> royalty!
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute. They didn't take my
>>>>>>> picture -
>>>>>>> just the dog. The people who took the pix then asked me about guide
>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>> and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I have some of these
>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>> pix
>>>>>>> on my own Facebook timeline and i don't mind if my FB friends share
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> Many of these friends love Landon! LOL! Oh, who knows how many pix
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the Pride Parade!
>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>> on hot pavement. One never knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> Take care,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long as no
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> talks to her and I am not in the picture without knowing. I may be
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> fat day or not have my makeup on or something. My dog is not as
>>>>>>>> vain.
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as they like to
>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>> themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice in that they feel
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> more disabled or more blind than others. Sorry to vent on this, but
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> really pisses me off and I know I am not the only one who feels
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> though many people will not say so. I would appreciate the terms
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> away. Thanks for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria
>>>>>>>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber of
>>>>>>>>> Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
>>>>>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me or
>>>>>>>>> Maxx.
>>>>>>>>> These are different situations.
>>>>>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. Um
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the sea, I
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> know where they get the names of these storms from.
>>>>>>>>> Lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
>>>>>>>>> Travel
>>>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
>>>>>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-**456-5394reservations@**
>>>>>>>>> echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**
>>>>>>>>> wordpress.com2012
>>>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
>>>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>>>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6
>>>>>>>>> 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than
>>>>>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.
>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and friends
>>>>>>>>> resorts
>>>>>>>>> vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>> From: lkeeler at comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I have a picture of
>>>>>>>>>> Holly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I with the bishop. I also have a couple with the Knights of
>>>>>>>>>> Columbus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AIn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations will
>>>>>>>>>> admit
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pictures
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of your dog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>> Good morning everyone:
>>>>>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard
>>>>>>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with some
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you. I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman,
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she could
>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> picture of Maxx.
>>>>>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know", she
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> became
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your family or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the
>>>>>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>>>>> That is not right.
>>>>>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and
>>>>>>>>>> videos
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>>>>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
>>>>>>>>>>> Travel
>>>>>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.**echevarriatravel.com631-456-**5394reservations
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**
>>>>>>>>> wordpress.com2012
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose
>>>>>>>>>>> TravelCST -
>>>>>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbny.org/> after Hurricane Sandy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and other resources. Any
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> earnings will go to the affiliate. Also is you book a Sandals
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> couples
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> booking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well. You do not need to be a member
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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