[nagdu] Leader and Lions was people taking pictures
Julie J.
julielj at neb.rr.com
Fri Feb 15 23:00:52 UTC 2013
Larry,
thank you for sharing your experience. It means a lot to me that I'm
not alone. I think I want to try a different organization or group.
How did you find groups where you were accepted for you, not the
blindness and not the guide dog? Was it something that just happened or
did you use some sort of screening process to find a group where you
were respected? Were there other guide dog users that were already
members that were able to give you the thumbs up, so to speak?
Julie
On 2/15/2013 9:44 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> I had a similar experience with the Lions in Virginia. Although then,
> I didn't have a dog. Instead, the focus was on the blindness. I was
> involved in a summer of marine science and was invited to a Lions
> group. I know that the Lions are interested in helping folks but the
> blindness thing way upstaged the fact that I really was getting
> involved in science not just as a curiosity but also hopefully for a
> living. They also had a small raffle and as the only blind person
> there, I won! Seemed sort of suspicious!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Leader and Lions was people taking pictures
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> When I attended a Lions leadership conference this past summer I had
>> a pretty negative experience. Of course people would ask about my
>> guide, and being the person I am, I always answer honestly. They
>> were probably thinking because I was a member of the Lions that of
>> course I would have a Leader dog. When they found out that I had
>> owner trained I'd get a variety of responses from shock to confusion
>> to incredulity. I have been told from a Lion and this is a quote,
>> "You know we could have gotten a guide for you. You didn't have to
>> do all that work." said in a tone indicating their disapproval with
>> my choice. I've gotten the repeated impression from a number of
>> Lions that if you don't go to Leader, you've made a bad choice.
>>
>> I felt like I was the token blind person at this event and not really
>> valued at all as an individual. There was very little interest in
>> getting to know me as a person, it was all about the dog all the
>> time. I'm okay with talking about the dog, but after a couple
>> minutes of that I'm ready to move on to other things, ideas or
>> interests that we might share. The final straw was at the end when
>> they were taking pictures of the groups. We were told to arrange
>> ourselves with the tallest people in the back, shorter people in the
>> front. So after consulting the person next to me and using my own
>> perceptions I stood in the back row. I was told quite bluntly that I
>> needed to move to the front so they could get a good picture of the
>> dog. I refused and this created a large problem. I don't think
>> anyone had told that woman no before.
>>
>> I have left the Lions. I just can't do it. I know there are good
>> people in the lions, people that respect others, people that
>> genuinely want to do good things, people that want to make the world
>> a better place. It's really too bad that there are enough people
>> that are disrespectful, egotistical and elitist that it ruined it for
>> me.
>>
>> I feel like I have to choose to spend my time and energy in pursuits
>> that strengthen me as a person while a the same time allowing me to
>> share my talents with the world. The Lions is not that place for
>> me. I understand that it is for others and I'm not trying to
>> discount that. I'm also not saying that the Lions as an organization
>> is bad. I am saying that there are people within the Lions that
>> ruined it for me.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/2013 5:38 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>> Eve, do you know why this actually might be, or what the actual
>>> connection
>>> is in regards to her stance? Leader Dog was actually formed in 1938
>>> by 3
>>> Lion members, and became a formal organization in 1939. It is still
>>> the
>>> only guide dog organization or for that matter, service dog
>>> organization in
>>> the world founded by Lion's. Many Lion's still have this philosophy.
>>> Leader Dog has a Board specifically made up of Lion members, and
>>> receives
>>> approximately 20% of their funding from the Lion's. Leader Dog is the
>>> longest funded service through the Lion's. I applaud her past
>>> patronage as
>>> a Lion and Leader Dog handler.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:13 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>> pictures of your dog
>>>
>>> this lady only wanted the lions to work with leader dogs, no other
>>> school.
>>> She didn't want anyone to be better than she was with her dog.
>>> She has passed on now, so I don't have to worry.
>>> I will keep after the lions to get us set up for December.
>>> So we know when this will happen, and how can we help to pull it off.
>>> Our part that is.
>>> I knew I was out and about threw out the city and folks would see me.
>>> Either at the mall or wall mart, any place like that.
>>> I don't have your email address, it doesn't show up.
>>> So I am sure I am past my five messages.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Ummm Dar,
>>>> This lady is a blind Lion with a guide dog but she doesn't want any
>>>> other guide dog users in the parade - did I hear this right?? If so,
>>>> what is that all about? She can't control her dog?
>>>> That reminds me about the time I was at an event in Balboa Park were
>>>> there wwere alot of dogs and a mini horse there. The police were
>>>> doing a police dog demonstration - the dog ran to bite the man in the
>>>> padded suit to show how a police dog apprehends a criminal who is
>>>> trying to flee. I had my guide dog with me and I had stopped to
>>>> watch. The cop actually told me to move on because my dog was a
>>>> distraction to the police dog! I said that maybe he needs to teach
>>>> his dog to work with distractions like mine was. My dog was able
>>>> to work
>>> well with all the distractions aroound at that event.
>>>> the cop had nothing to say to coounter what i said to him. Ballsy me!
>>>> Hey, I'd go to the parade anyway and tell that woman to do some
>>>> refresher in distraction work with her dog!
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "d m gina"<dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To:<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:11 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>
>>>>> yes we had a lady who was in the parade with her dog.
>>>>> She didn't want anyone else to come.
>>>>> Especially with a dog.
>>>>> She was a lion.
>>>>> So we have friends who are lions where we could set it up.
>>>>> I will ask early so we can get it started.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hi Dar,
>>>>>> To be in a parade, one must be associated with a group who is in the
>>>>>> parade.
>>>>>> I march in our LGBT Pride parade with a group I belong to -
>>>>>> actually, I'd have to split myself in twos or threes to march in all
>>>>>> the groups I belong to that are contingents in the parade! LOL!
>>>>>> Landon and I are also in our neighborhoood Christmas Toyland Parade
>>>>>> as part of our contingent from our Blind Community Center. We have
>>>>>> our Center's bus in it with the people who can't walk but several of
>>>>>> our members with guide dogs do walk in the parade.
>>>>>> We decorate our dogs in holiday collars. Landon has learned how to
>>>>>> walk in the street in a parade from the many street demonstrations
>>>>>> we've been in over the years! He has to teach the other guide dogs
>>>>>> who NEVER walk in the street except for making street crossings.
>>>>>> LOL! We do have sighted help in helping us to keep in our
>>>>>> contingent, tell us when to stop, turn, and to go after we stop to
>>>>>> let the contingents to maintain proper spacing that keeps the parade
>>>>>> moving smoothly along. Some people just go sighted guide and heel
>>>>>> their dogs.
>>>>>> For you, join a group that marches in your holiday parade and maybe
>>>>>> you can march or be on a float in it. It's alot of fun and people
>>>>>> enjoy seeing guide and other service dogs in parades. Remember that
>>>>>> street pavement is usually hotter than regular sidewalks. Streets
>>>>>> are blacktop which sucks in the heat and most sidewalks are white
>>>>>> concrete which repells some of the heat - depends on time of year
>>>>>> and location.
>>>>>> For me to determine when I need to put Landon's booties on, I will
>>>>>> place my palm flat on the street. If I go, "Yow!" and pull my hand
>>>>>> off in only seconds, it is bootie time! If I can keep my hand there
>>>>>> as long as I want to keep it there without discomfort, well, Landon
>>>>>> can go barefoot.
>>>>>> People
>>>>>> want to take Landon's picture in his booties is mainly because most
>>>>>> people never give a hot pavement a thought when they briong their
>>>>>> dogs out in parades - this happens in the Pride parade and street
>>>>>> fairs because these are held in the middle of our summer heat with
>>>>>> the strongest sunshine.
>>>>>> Countless people have come up to me to thank me for putting booties
>>>>>> on my dog and they tell me about the poor dogs who has less than
>>>>>> attentive owners.
>>>>>> Those dogs are picking up each foot over and over because their pads
>>>>>> are burning on the blacktop! Poor doggies!
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "d m gina"<dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>> To:<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>>>> take pictures of your dog
>>>
>>>>>>> I need to work with my dog with his booties.
>>>>>>> That is a swell idea in a parade to have him wear them.
>>>>>>> I would love to see us in the Christmas parade this year.
>>>>>>> How far advanced do you need to plan for this?
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Hi Eve,
>>>>>>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds"
>>>>>>>> and "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them. This sucks but is
>>> reality.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and
>>>>>>>> the stigma is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked
>>>>>>>> upon as less in the blind community. On both couonts it is wrong!
>>>>>>>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because
>>>>>>>> they may possess more or full eyesight. I've seen this behavior
>>>>>>>> mainly in the blind schools where some people feel the need to
>>>>>>>> dump on someone else - well, the totals. Partials have some sight
>>>>>>>> so they would be in the "sighted camp"
>>>>>>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted
>>>>>>>> (you're not really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may
>>>>>>>> begrudge partials for having some sighted privilege. But we all -
>>>>>>>> totals and partials - really get the crap from society that
>>>>>>>> decides what we can or can't do based on misconceptions, fear, and
>>>>>>>> plain old bigotry rather than going to the experts - those of us
>>>>>>>> with the blindness.
>>>>>>>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of
>>>>>>>> challenges although they may vary. I have friends who are fully
>>>>>>>> sighted, partially sighted, and totally blind - makes no
>>>>>>>> difference to me. I judge them on what kind of person they are.
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a guide dog.
>>>>>>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my
>>>>>>>> bike all over town. I agree, we should junk the labels and just
>>>>>>>> become people with some extra issues to be dealt with.
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture. Landon's wound
>>>>>>>> up on people's Facebook! They all ask me first. Landon was doing
>>>>>>>> something cute like lie with his head up and his front legs
>>>>>>>> crossed like he was royalty!
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute. They didn't take my
>>>>>>>> picture - just the dog. The people who took the pix then asked me
>>>>>>>> about guide dogs and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I
>>>>>>>> have some of these cute pix on my own Facebook timeline and i
>>>>>>>> don't mind if my FB friends share them.
>>>>>>>> Many of these friends love Landon! LOL! Oh, who knows how many
>>>>>>>> pix get taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the
>>>>>>>> Pride Parade!
>>>>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their
>>>>>>>> own dogs on hot pavement. One never knows.
>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>
>>>>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship
>>>>>>>> is like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez"<celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>>>>>> take pictures of your dog
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long
>>>>>>>>> as no one talks to her and I am not in the picture without
>>>>>>>>> knowing. I may be having a fat day or not have my makeup on or
>>>>>>>>> something. My dog is not as vain.
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between
>>>>>>>>> sighted and totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as
>>>>>>>>> they like to call themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice
>>>>>>>>> in that they feel they are more disabled or more blind than
>>>>>>>>> others. Sorry to vent on this, but it really pisses me off and I
>>>>>>>>> know I am not the only one who feels this way though many people
>>>>>>>>> will not say so. I would appreciate the terms going away. Thanks
>>>>>>>>> for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria
>>>>>>>>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber
>>>>>>>>>> of Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
>>>>>>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me
>>>>>>>>>> or Maxx.
>>>>>>>>>> These are different situations.
>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. Um
>>>>>>>>>> isn't Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the
>>>>>>>>>> sea, I just don't know where they get the names of these storms
>>>>>>>>>> from.
>>>>>>>>>> Lol.
>>>>>>>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State Leading the
>>>>>>>>>> Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible Travel
>>>>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
>>>>>>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations at echevarriatrave
>>>>>>>>>> l.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
>>>>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST
>>>>>>>>>> - #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser
>>>>>>>>>> for the http://www.NFBNY.org<http://www.nfbny.org/> after
>>>>>>>>>> Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any vacation package booked
>>>>>>>>>> between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be
>>>>>>>>>> traveled no later than
>>>>>>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.
>>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and
>>>>>>>>>> friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the
>>>>>>>>>> affiliate as well. You do not need to be a member of the
>>>>>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: lkeeler at comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting
>>>>>>>>>>> to take
>>>>>>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. I have a picture
>>>>>>>>>>> of Holly
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> I with the bishop. I also have a couple with the Knights of
>>>>>>>>>>> Columbus.
>>>>>>>>>> AIn
>>>>>>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations
>>>>>>>>>>> will admit
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "nagdu"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu"<nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> pictures
>>>>>>>>>>> of your dog
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard
>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with
>>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> you. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman,
>>>>>>>>>>>> who was
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she
>>>>>>>>>>>> could take a picture of Maxx.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do
>>>>>>>>>>>> not want
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know",
>>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>> became
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are
>>>>>>>>>>>> you a parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your
>>>>>>>>>>>> family or
>>>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the
>>>>>>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is not right.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they took
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and
>>>>>>>>>>>> videos of
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>>>>>>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State Leading the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible Travel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations
>>>>>>>>>> @echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com20
>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose
>>>>>>>>>>>> TravelCST - #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the National
>>>>>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org<http://www.nfbny.org/> after Hurricane
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>>>>>> and other resources. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a
>>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate. Also is
>>>>>>>>>>>> you book a Sandals for
>>>>>>>>>> couples
>>>>>>>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>> booking
>>>>>>>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well. You do not need to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> member of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
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