[nagdu] Lions support

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Sat Feb 16 20:53:33 UTC 2013 

Deffinetely separate topic!  What I think is that some Lions chapters as 
well as some other organizations are mostly well minded and really believe 
in there causes.  Unfortunately, old attitudes die hard and when younger 
folks who have had different experiences with blind people start running 
these organizations can they change.  My post was about an experience I had 
in the early 80's with one district.  Doesn't mean everyone who is a Lion is 
that way!  Every year here in Roscommon we have several Lions helping out 
with our ski event and, boyy!  Do we educate them!  They sure know what we 
can get up to and even sometimes join us!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support


I am sorry you were treated like that and others as well.
I am out on Long Island, and most of the Lions out here support GDF.
I have never run into such nastiness, and I will let others know how people 
feel.
The same feelings at Lions why can't NFB and ACB work together on issues.
That is a separate topic, but I say, it is similar to why and might be more 
than just like Republican and Democratic.
But when this comes up, I just stand for us the NFB.
Again, I am sorry that you have gone through this, and only thing I can say 
is educate.
They should know that all schools have same quality of education etc.
Cheryl
I am not going to say anymore on the subject.
We are all treated differently a lot of the time.

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From: margo.downey at verizon.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:45:01 -0800
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support

Cheryl, I'm afraid a lot of us have had these experiences with the Lions. 
Lions have crifficized me for getting Seeing Eye Dogs, have told me that 
Seeing Eye dogs are not as good as Leader Dogs, that I must go to Leader 
next time to get a high-quality dog. I have also had the experience with the 
Lions of feeling like the token blind person. I have also had the experience 
of being treated in a very condescending way by Lions. I have had a few good 
experiences with the Lions, too—2 wonderful skiing trips, fun displaying 
about NFB at Lions conferevers, etc., but I do think some education needs to 
happen so that Lions really believe in the capabilities of blind folks.

Margo and Arrow

----- Original Message -----
From: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support

>
>
> Lions raise money so we can have dogs, the dogs from birth to us and ever 
> after run about $40,000.00 a dog, which includes the buildings, food, 
> classes for us. etc.
> We are mostly the fundraiser end of the schools, I say we because I am 
> proud to be a Lion, and have never been made to feel like the Token Blind 
> person there.
> Maybe many of us have a misconception about Lionism, or a bad experience. 
> Lets face it, some of the people within the NFB including Chapter 
> Presidents and people who have been part of this organization for years, 
> that rub me the wrong way, and others as well, but we are all family.
> Lions have helped me in other ways that NFB hasn't.
> But that doesn't stop me for being part of both organizations.
>
> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> Leading the Way in Independent TravelffSNG Certified — Accessible Travel 
> AdvocateffCheryl Echevarria, 
> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012 
> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST — 
> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National Federation 
> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the 
> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any 
> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and 
> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my 
> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples 
> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking 
> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member of the 
> NFB.ORG, just book through us.
>
>
> > From: carcione at access.net
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:28:16 com0500
> > Subject: [nagdu] Lions support
> >
> > Steve, I'm curious.  Why do people feel they need the Lions support to 
> > get a
> > guide dog?  TSE, and GDB, pay the airfare, and students get room and 
> > board
> > from the school.  One might need a bit of money for toys or extra 
> > equipment,
> > but not a lot.  So where does the support come in?
> > Tracy
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> > To: "'Nagdu Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
> >
> >
> > > All,
> > > In regards to Lion's and guide dog program financial support, it is
> > > generally a state, or district decision on who they support.  Many 
> > > states
> > > do
> > > financially support Leader Dog for the reasons I cited earlier this
> > > morning,
> > > while other states or districts as many of you have noted, choose to
> > > support
> > > other training programs.  There tends to be a greater support toward
> > > Leader
> > > in the Midwest States and Canada.  However, keep in mind, it doesn't 
> > > mean
> > > that even a specific club or clubs won't support an individual as they
> > > choose another training program.  We have had Lion's in my specific 
> > > club
> > > who
> > > have had dogs from Leader and TSE, and a good friend of mine has a dog
> > > from
> > > a program located here in WI which was also supported by her club.  My
> > > point
> > > is that if you do consider getting financial support from the Lion's 
> > > to
> > > obtain a guide, don't hesitate to contact your local Lion's club for
> > > support.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. 
> > > Keeler
> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:51 AM
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
> > >
> > > That's true Eve!  I actually looked at that donation wall at Pilot and
> > > read
> > > most of the plaques up there.  MJany were put up in honor of Lions who
> > > donated to Pilot.  But, like any organization that is big, folks get
> > > different impressions for instance a local chapter may be more 
> > > traditional
> > > than another or a older group may be more conservative than a younger 
> > > one.
> > > I had a teacher who was a lion and he was a great teacher as well as a
> > > great
> > > human being!  Finally, I support all guide dog schools as long as they 
> > > are
> > > serving there clientelle the best they can and don't treat them like
> > > subhuman folks.  Dignity and respect are more important than waring 
> > > about
> > > what school or organization is the best.  I for example have never 
> > > really
> > > cared for the White Cane cerimonies and White Cane Queen stuff the 
> > > Lions
> > > do.
> > >
> > > Only my oppinion though.  And a final thing, some of the Lions might 
> > > not
> > > really know that theey support other schools.  Me being in the Knights 
> > > of
> > > Columbus know we support our local mental health center.  I don't know
> > > what
> > > other ones we support but I'm sure we do others.  If asked, I could 
> > > tell
> > > you
> > > we help this one and would reccommend it simply because without doing 
> > > more
> > > research, I don''t know what ones we support for sure.  And, Leader is
> > > probably the biggest school they do support!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm sorry, but it seems you all are quite misimformed. As a Lion and 
> > >> a
> > >> Pilot Alumni I could tell you that the Lions International supports
> > >> many different schools for guide dogs. Pilot actually is supported
> > >> almost wholey by Lions, more than any other school including Leader.
> > >> Lions often will support the schools in their areas also such as 
> > >> Guide
> > >> Dogs of America and etc. The point of Lions is to support vision care
> > >> and those with vision loss and issues. Right now, we are working on
> > >> establishing more diabetic education and testing. Are we going to not
> > >> include someone who may already be involved with another diabeties
> > >> association? No way. This is not like NFB and ACB. Everyone get along
> > >> as they should, so I do not know why or where you are getting your
> > >> information. One crabby woman does not make the worldwide membership
> > >> and should not be the loudest voice heard. Eve
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:13 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Julie J I don't have your email address in my address book so will
> > >>> answer here.
> > >>> I am really sorry this has happened.
> > >>> I know here in Montana the lions said leader dogs only.
> > >>> My reply was, that is fine, if you allowed more blind to come into
> > >>> your club showing that we can get just as much done as you do,
> > >>> working together, we all would get something out of this.
> > >>> In our city transportation is unreal.
> > >>> I didn't want to pay for cab fare all of the time, when I felt
> > >>> someone in our area could help me out.
> > >>> We do have blind as lions, where they have a driver.
> > >>> A father and son team, a lady taking her blind friend.
> > >>> the lady that passed away had her sighted husband.
> > >>> The rest of us have cabs.
> > >>> Now I am trying to think how to add seeing eye now that the leader
> > >>> dog lady has passed away.
> > >>> there is another person in town who has a seeing eye dog, works all
> > >>> of the time, stays pretty much to himself.
> > >>> If anyone has tips I would spring this to the father and son team.
> > >>> Again I am really sorry this happened.
> > >>> In my ladies group, the ladies are impressed how behaved my dog is.
> > >>> One lady just about had a kitten when my dog looked at the plate of
> > >>> cookies.
> > >>> Loll, I just moved his head and we started walking away from the 
> > >>> table.
> > >>> I am sure if he had his way he would have helped out with each 
> > >>> cookie.
> > >>> But he didn't, so that was good.
> > >>> Again I am really sorry this happened.
> > >>> Why did they want your dog in the picture when they gave you the 
> > >>> rath
> > >>> of God because you trained your own dog?
> > >>>
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