[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jun 25 16:53:57 UTC 2013

Thanks for all your responses.

So, I believe what all of you are saying is,  it is one of many 
learning processes that is taught but a skill that not everyone 
chooses to practice.  Although you don't have a cane that will 
tap the heel of the last person in line, if you are alert in your 
surroundings you can generally  tell when you are at the back of 
a group of people.  Even with a cane I am not 100 percent 
accurate.
You have made me feel better about this issue.

Carol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D.  Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
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Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:50:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Mike, I've seen folks do that with canes as well.  Unfortunately, 
rude folks
come in all shapes and sizes.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Carol,

There is no excuse for rudeness anywhere.  If guide dog users 
plow through
people they are being inconsiderate.

Dogs do look for ways around obstacles, and people can be 
obstacles.  It is
up to us as guide dog users to watch our dogs' behaviors to make 
sure they
are not helping us cut in lines.  We are still in charge and need 
to manage
our guides.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol 
Osmar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 05:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to 
learning from
your discussions.  I am in my 60S and recently retired.  I have 
been a cane
user all my life, but just recently applied for a guide dog, so, 
I have a
lot to learn.

 Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people 
with guide
dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind person with a 
dog will
plow his way through a crowd to get to the head of the line.  I 
feel this is
rude.  My question is, Do the schools address the issue of 
curtesy to others
when using a dog?

I have never been in New York City,   so I don't know what it is
like traveling there as a blind person.  Perhaps you would be 
trampled if
you are not aggressive there.

Carol  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.
I know
plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they 
have to slow
way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.
Ben just
slides on through, finding spaces between people.  Ben is one of 
those
"pushy urban dogs".  Crowds are something of a specialty with 
him, and I
really appreciate that.
Tracy

 Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find 
such an
obstacle.

 Steve

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Nicole
Torcolini
 Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
 To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'
 Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

 Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before, 
but I had
something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one 
more  time.
 There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user 
should be
able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a 
dog.
 However,
 unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that 
is true.
 For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking 
today with my
cane rather than Lexia.  I was traversing a route that I have 
taken
numerous  times with Lexia.  Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from 
the edge of
the side  walk.  However, as I was using my cane rather than 
Lexia, I was
trailing  the  edge.  There is a staircase that comes down from a 
building
that has a  railing that sticks out farther than the bottom step.  
With
Lexia, this had  never before posed a problem as she had cleared 
it as an
obstacle.
 However,
 I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.
As a
 result,
 I ran right into it.  I was not hurt or anything, but it just 
goes to show
that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well 
trained one,
usually detects that a cane cannot.

 Nicole
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