[nagdu] finding the end of a line...

[Tami Jarvis]

Heavens! Well, it was tricky enough learning to find the end of a line 
with my cane, even though I had more residual vision then than I do now. 
Now I think the only real difference, though, is that I've accepted that 
I'm just not going to be good at that line thing, so we will all have to 
live with it. /lol/ When I'm in a noisy place with lots of people, my 
hearing is not so helpful, so I do try to imagine how my deafblind 
friends manage in case I can find some enlightenment... So I think I've 
gotten better at "feeling" what's going on when the noise is too 
confusing or I have a head cold or something and am just really off. 
Still, I think that finding the end of a line and then moving with a 
line is just not terribly graceful with either dog or cane unless the 
people near you in line are gracious enough to let me know when you are 
at the end and when things are moving if I don't pick it up myself.

Mitzi has an end of the line command, though we haven't practiced it in 
a while. It took some doing training her for lines, since I'm a little 
unreliable there myself. Then again, maybe my confusions helped her 
learn? She's pretty good about it, but she gets bored in line and wants 
to stick her nose in everything or try to check out what everyone else 
is doing everywhere. /lol/ Keeping her on the straight and narrow -- or 
close -- does give me something to do while I'm waiting, I guess.

I'll be honest. When I'm with the cane, I'm still not comfortable having 
to tap the heels of the person in front of me every time I think the 
line might have moved. Or with running into them if I misjudge because I 
was too cautious about trying to not tap them with the cane. Sigh. Some 
people are great and will give me verbal or other sound cues, so that 
helps since I can hear them. /smile/ Other times the folks in line are 
more involved in their own thing and the person in front of me is 
noticeably annoyed by the cane thing, so what can you do then? I used to 
apologize, then realized that would make the other person more rude, so 
now I just smile and shrug and figure we're stuck with each other until 
we're out of line. /lol/

So that is one area of O&M where I definitely prefer the dog, even when 
she is being a pain out of boredom or being cute so she can be admired 
while she is just standing there. /grin/

Tami

On 06/28/2013 07:57 AM, Marsha Drenth wrote:
> All,
> The subject of the thread needed to  be changed. With that I have a question. Several people have suggested ways of finding the end of a line, and I would say that these methods work for a blind person. I say specifically a blind person, they do not work for a deafblind person. Lets not assume that the methods you all mentioned are the best for everyone. I have been in a many situation, where I am telling my dog to find the end of the line. She sees people standing as obstacles. If I were to use my "mouth" to ask, that also does not meanI can hear what the person is saying back to me. If I use a cane, find the shoe of a person, how do I know this is a line, or aa person in the line I want. So with all thhose methods mentioned, how would you all suggest a deafblind person find the end of the line? Next time you  are in line, plug your ears, close your eyes, and you try to find the end of the line. Byyy no means do I think its appropiate for a deafblind person to cut in a line, or go 
right to the counter by passing the line along together. But my point is that tthe methods mentioned are not infact the best for everyone. Lets also not assume that if a person who cuts in line, who usues a guide dog, is trying to be rude.
>
> Ok I have said my peace. All I am saying is that everyone needs to practice tolerance and kindness.
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> Marsha Drenth
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