[nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting

Margo and Arrow margo.downey at verizon.net
Sat Jun 29 02:03:27 UTC 2013 

I never heard Seeing Eye state that we shouldn't bring dogs to convention.
Even after I got Arrow, I was advised that even after two months, he'd be
fine at convention.  We've always been encouraged to go to conventions with
our dogs unless it might be stressful for an individual dog.  

Margo and Arrow

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:58 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting

I didn't know schools told people not to bring their dogs to convention.  My
school has never had a problem with it.

I know dog users who don't bring their dogs to convention.  Most of them
don't bring their dogs because of personal preference, not because their
dogs couldn't handle it, but there are those whose dogs don't do so well at
convention.  Some older dogs who have never been taken to a convention may
not do as well, for example.

I also have heard that it's not fair to our dogs to take them to a
convention, which is silly because my dog loves convention and works well
there.  So yes, people will say all kinds of things if they don't agree with
what you're doing.

On 6/28/13, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is a long-ago theory held by many schools, or at least TSE held 
> it, but to my knowledge they never used it as an excuse not to show 
> up. It sounds as if it is an excuse, and it is not very respectful of
NAGDU, I think.
>
> Cindy Lou
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:26 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmm! If convention is too stressful for a guide dog, how can they be 
>> expected to handle busy urban settings and other crowds? Sometimes I 
>> think people say what they think others want to hear and what they 
>> think sounds good without really thinking about the ramifications of 
>> what they say.
>> It's
>> like the old adage, "People will say what sounds good first and then, 
>> maybe, they will say what is really true!"
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila 
>> Leigland
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:57 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Marion I know pilot is not sending anyone to convention. Some people 
>> on there staff believe it is to stressful for the dogs but we aren't 
>> even hesetating about bringing our two golden's  I may be going to 
>> new york for a couple of months so am hoping to get some idea of how 
>> Tres will handle the stress of a totally new situation including 
>> large crowds and noicse as well as experience in a much larger city 
>> than Great alls montana.
>> On 6/28/2013 4:53 PM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
>>> Rhonda,
>>> 	Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>> officer.
>>> When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would never 
>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his 
>>> trainers was embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the 
>>> incident, but he said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and 
>>> she said Pilot did not do traffic checks. Apparently, the president 
>>> at the time was very surprised and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic
checks?"
>>> According to someone else that was there, this is how it happened 
>>> and a rather strong discussion of the importance of traffic checks 
>>> followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it was a reasonable question 
>>> and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks while assuring him 
>>> that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very assertive, I 
>>> would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat anyone with 
>>> disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not chosen 
>>> to attend our
>> conventions, though!
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda 
>>> cruz
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>
>>>  hello does pilot dogs come to the nfb convention.
>>>  just wondering.
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Silly question...but have all the training programs been invited?  
>>>> Do they
>>> know they have an opportunity to speak?
>>>> Why I ask is because several years ago when I was at a convention 
>>>> in
>>> Dallas, I was speaking with a representative from Guide Dogs of 
>>> Texas in the Exhibit Hall.  Just in polite conversation I said 
>>> something about looking forward to hearing an update about their 
>>> program at this evenings NAGDU meeting.  The lady had no idea what I 
>>> was talking about.  The program was new and that had been her first
convention.
>>> She had planned to go to the welcome meeting for first time 
>>> convention attendees at the same time the NAGDU meeting was being 
>>> held.  There was no intent to ignore NAGDU or not provide info, they 
>>> just had no idea
>> the option was available.
>>>> Just wondering,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> ; 'New York Association of Guide Dog Users' ; New Jersey 
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users ; nagdu-leaders at nfbnet.org ; 
>>>> flagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>               Here is an updated list of training program 
>>>> representatives who will be attending the NAGDU meeting on July 3 
>>>> to offer their input on the Guide dog Consumers' Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julie Unwin, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Paul Lopez, Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>>>
>>>> Wells Jones, Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Rod Haneline, Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>
>>>> Jim Kutsch, The Seeing Eye
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, if your training program is not on this list, you may 
>>>> want to ask them to offer their comments to us via email. They may 
>>>> do so by sending a message to the address below my signature.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
>>>>
>>>> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
>>>>
>>>> President at nagdu.org
>>>>
>>>> www.nagdu.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>> nagdu:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/julielj%40neb.rr
>>>> .c
>>>> o
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>> Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5945 - Release Date:
>>>> 06/27/13
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>> nagdu:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/rhondaprincess%4
>>>> 0g
>>>> m
>>>> ail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>> nagdu:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.
>>> net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>> nagdu:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sleigland%40bresn
>>> an
>>> .net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon
>> .net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/cindyray%40gmail.c
>> om
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nagdu:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.c
> om
>


--
Julie McG
National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National Federation
of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of
Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 3:16

_______________________________________________
nagdu mailing list
nagdu at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nagdu:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/margo.downey%40verizon.ne
t

More information about the NAGDU mailing list