[nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com
Sat Jun 29 02:23:04 UTC 2013
It kind of depended on who you were talking to with regard to TSE, and it wasn't an official stance on their part. I can't think about it right now. I do think Fisher handled it better the first two times I took him than he did last year, but he hasn't been working as much. Maybe this year he would have done better and maybe not, but I think I'll try not to think about it anymore.
CL
On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:03 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
> I never heard Seeing Eye state that we shouldn't bring dogs to convention.
> Even after I got Arrow, I was advised that even after two months, he'd be
> fine at convention. We've always been encouraged to go to conventions with
> our dogs unless it might be stressful for an individual dog.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>
> I didn't know schools told people not to bring their dogs to convention. My
> school has never had a problem with it.
>
> I know dog users who don't bring their dogs to convention. Most of them
> don't bring their dogs because of personal preference, not because their
> dogs couldn't handle it, but there are those whose dogs don't do so well at
> convention. Some older dogs who have never been taken to a convention may
> not do as well, for example.
>
> I also have heard that it's not fair to our dogs to take them to a
> convention, which is silly because my dog loves convention and works well
> there. So yes, people will say all kinds of things if they don't agree with
> what you're doing.
>
> On 6/28/13, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is a long-ago theory held by many schools, or at least TSE held
>> it, but to my knowledge they never used it as an excuse not to show
>> up. It sounds as if it is an excuse, and it is not very respectful of
> NAGDU, I think.
>>
>> Cindy Lou
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:26 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm! If convention is too stressful for a guide dog, how can they be
>>> expected to handle busy urban settings and other crowds? Sometimes I
>>> think people say what they think others want to hear and what they
>>> think sounds good without really thinking about the ramifications of
>>> what they say.
>>> It's
>>> like the old adage, "People will say what sounds good first and then,
>>> maybe, they will say what is really true!"
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila
>>> Leigland
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:57 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>
>>> Marion I know pilot is not sending anyone to convention. Some people
>>> on there staff believe it is to stressful for the dogs but we aren't
>>> even hesetating about bringing our two golden's I may be going to
>>> new york for a couple of months so am hoping to get some idea of how
>>> Tres will handle the stress of a totally new situation including
>>> large crowds and noicse as well as experience in a much larger city
>>> than Great alls montana.
>>> On 6/28/2013 4:53 PM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
>>>> Rhonda,
>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>> officer.
>>>> When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would never
>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
>>>> trainers was embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the
>>>> incident, but he said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and
>>>> she said Pilot did not do traffic checks. Apparently, the president
>>>> at the time was very surprised and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic
> checks?"
>>>> According to someone else that was there, this is how it happened
>>>> and a rather strong discussion of the importance of traffic checks
>>>> followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it was a reasonable question
>>>> and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks while assuring him
>>>> that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very assertive, I
>>>> would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat anyone with
>>>> disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not chosen
>>>> to attend our
>>> conventions, though!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda
>>>> cruz
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:41 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>
>>>> hello does pilot dogs come to the nfb convention.
>>>> just wondering.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Silly question...but have all the training programs been invited?
>>>>> Do they
>>>> know they have an opportunity to speak?
>>>>> Why I ask is because several years ago when I was at a convention
>>>>> in
>>>> Dallas, I was speaking with a representative from Guide Dogs of
>>>> Texas in the Exhibit Hall. Just in polite conversation I said
>>>> something about looking forward to hearing an update about their
>>>> program at this evenings NAGDU meeting. The lady had no idea what I
>>>> was talking about. The program was new and that had been her first
> convention.
>>>> She had planned to go to the welcome meeting for first time
>>>> convention attendees at the same time the NAGDU meeting was being
>>>> held. There was no intent to ignore NAGDU or not provide info, they
>>>> just had no idea
>>> the option was available.
>>>>> Just wondering,
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:17 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> ; 'New York Association of Guide Dog Users' ; New Jersey
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users ; nagdu-leaders at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>> flagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is an updated list of training program
>>>>> representatives who will be attending the NAGDU meeting on July 3
>>>>> to offer their input on the Guide dog Consumers' Bill of Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie Unwin, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Lopez, Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Wells Jones, Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod Haneline, Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Kutsch, The Seeing Eye
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, if your training program is not on this list, you may
>>>>> want to ask them to offer their comments to us via email. They may
>>>>> do so by sending a message to the address below my signature.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>>
>>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
>>>>>
>>>>> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
>>>>>
>>>>> President at nagdu.org
>>>>>
>>>>> www.nagdu.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of
> Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For
> God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
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