[nagdu] Effective Training - Was Training Programs at NAGDU Meetings

Sat Jun 29 14:21:50 UTC 2013

this is an interesting topic to think about. When I got my first dog, I 
really never thought about subways and such because we don't have them 
here in fact I think that I heard that there is one revolving door here 
in Great falls and I don't even know where it is located.I believe our 
population here is around sixty thousand people.I wanted a dog that 
could travel in snow and got that.I needed to know how to do 
unsidwalkearesa bacause there are many of them.
On 6/29/2013 5:31 AM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
> 	I am of the opinion that good training should include exposure to as
> many envnironments and conditions as feasible. Not only is it true that we
> may encounter new circumstances as we improve our mobility, many of the
> skills we learn in novel environments are transferable to other
> circumstances while enhancing our overall confidence and mobility. For
> instance, though we do not have subways in Florida, subway training is a
> valuable element of training where such an exposure is possible. Riding a
> subway is very different than riding a bus and reinforces the competence of
> mobility. Furthermore, as I traveled to convention in Philadelphia, I had
> the occasion to use a subway. My wife and I will be traveling to Boston to
> visit our new grandson soon and to New York during the holidays, so we have
> had and will again have the opportunity to ride the subway.
>
> 	Airline pilots don't plan on engaging emergency procedures, but the
> result of not being prepared for such an eventuality would make a pilot
> incompetent. It is for this reason all pilots are required to fly in
> simulated adverse conditions in order to become licensed. Similarly, it is
> for this reason effective, sound guide dog training should include traffic
> checks. Not including them calls into question the competence of the
> program! JMHO!
>
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:58 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>
> agreed. my thought is so then why have dogs in the first place. It just
> didn't seem quite right to me.
> the trainer i had when I got Drake my first dog told me that he didn't
> believe I would have trouble taking that dog anywhere I wanted to go and I
> chose to believe it.
> On 6/28/2013 7:26 PM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
>> Hmm! If convention is too stressful for a guide dog, how can they be
>> expected to handle busy urban settings and other crowds? Sometimes I
>> think people say what they think others want to hear and what they
>> think sounds good without really thinking about the ramifications of
>> what they say. It's like the old adage, "People will say what sounds
>> good first and then, maybe, they will say what is really true!"
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila
>> Leigland
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:57 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Marion I know pilot is not sending anyone to convention. Some people
>> on there staff believe it is to stressful for the dogs but we aren't
>> even hesetating about bringing our two golden's  I may be going to new
>> york for a couple of months so am hoping to get some idea of how Tres
>> will handle the stress of a totally new situation including large
>> crowds and noicse as well as experience in a much larger city than Great
> alls montana.
>> On 6/28/2013 4:53 PM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
>>> Rhonda,
>>> 	Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>> officer.
>>> When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would never
>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
>>> trainers was embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident,
>>> but he said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said
>>> Pilot did not do traffic checks. Apparently, the president at the
>>> time was very surprised and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?"
>>> According to someone else that was there, this is how it happened and
>>> a rather strong discussion of the importance of traffic checks
>>> followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it was a reasonable question
>>> and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks while assuring him
>>> that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very assertive, I
>>> would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat anyone with
>>> disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not chosen to
>>> attend our
>> conventions, though!
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda
>>> cruz
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>
>>>     hello does pilot dogs come to the nfb convention.
>>>     just wondering.
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Silly question...but have all the training programs been invited?
>>>> Do they
>>> know they have an opportunity to speak?
>>>> Why I ask is because several years ago when I was at a convention in
>>> Dallas, I was speaking with a representative from Guide Dogs of Texas
>>> in the Exhibit Hall.  Just in polite conversation I said something
>>> about looking forward to hearing an update about their program at
>>> this evenings NAGDU meeting.  The lady had no idea what I was talking
>>> about.  The program was new and that had been her first convention.
>>> She had planned to go to the welcome meeting for first time
>>> convention attendees at the same time the NAGDU meeting was being
>>> held.  There was no intent to ignore NAGDU or not provide info, they
>>> just had no idea
>> the option was available.
>>>> Just wondering,
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:17 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> ; 'New York Association of Guide Dog Users' ; New Jersey Association
>>>> of Guide Dog Users ; nagdu-leaders at nfbnet.org ; flagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>                  Here is an updated list of training program
>>>> representatives who will be attending the NAGDU meeting on July 3 to
>>>> offer their input on the Guide dog Consumers' Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julie Unwin, Fidelco Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Paul Lopez, Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>>>
>>>> Wells Jones, Guide Dog Foundation
>>>>
>>>> Rod Haneline, Leader Dogs for the Blind
>>>>
>>>> Jim Kutsch, The Seeing Eye
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, if your training program is not on this list, you may
>>>> want to ask them to offer their comments to us via email. They may
>>>> do so by sending a message to the address below my signature.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>>
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>>>>
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
>>>>
>>>> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
>>>>
>>>> President at nagdu.org
>>>>
>>>> www.nagdu.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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