[nagdu] finding the end of a line...

[Marsha Drenth]

Raven, 
my post wasn't more of a question, but a post to make people think. For people to think that there might be more going on, then they know. For people to think that tolerance and kindness goes a long way. For people to think, that not all of us in the blind community have the same abilities, skills, knowledge. I am asking that people think out of the box. i don't know how I would find the end of a line, but I do hope that a sighted person would be kind of enough to help. I hope that a blind person would be understanding enough to help, instead of thinking I am deliberately being rude by by passing the line. But that I can't hear as well as others, nor can I see, so maybe this means I have to do things differently, but that also doesn't mean I am below, less, or rude. 

I think you get what I am saying... 

Marsha drenth  
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 3:01 AM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Honestly, I do not have the slightest idea as to how a deaf-blind
> person would find the end of a line. I never taught, and don't rely on
> my dog to find the end of a line because in the places I frequent,
> there are multiple lines. When I went to a festival, they had about
> twenty different lines for all the food stands. When I am at the bust
> station, and we have to wait in line to get on the bus, I take it upon
> myself to find out what bus we are at, then I will command my dog "to
> the door." If there is a line there, he will stop at the end of it. At
> some of the restaurants I go to, there is a line for people to order,
> and a separate line of people waiting for their food. I always just
> ask the first person I encounter: "Hey, which line is this?" Unless a
> deaf-blind person had someone with them, or ran into someone who could
> communicate with them efficiently, I don't see a way to find the end
> of the line. I am not saying this is impossible, I'm only saying that
> my experience with deaf-blind people is very limited, and so I am
> unfamiliar and ignorant about the way they problem solve and do a
> number of things.
> 
> -- 
> Raven
> 
> Sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:57:21 -0400
> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] finding the end of a line...
> 
> All,
> The subject of the thread needed to  be changed. With that I have a
> question. Several people have suggested ways of finding the end of a
> line, and I would say that these methods work for a blind person. I
> say specifically a blind person, they do not work for a deafblind
> person. Lets not assume that the methods you all mentioned are the
> best for everyone. I have been in a many situation, where I am telling
> my dog to find the end of the line. She sees people standing as
> obstacles. If I were to use my "mouth" to ask, that also does not
> meanI can hear what the person is saying back to me. If I use a cane,
> find the shoe of a person, how do I know this is a line, or aa person
> in the line I want. So with all thhose methods mentioned, how would
> you all suggest a deafblind person find the end of the line? Next time
> you  are in line, plug your ears, close your eyes, and you try to find
> the end of the line. Byyy no means do I think its appropiate for a
> deafblind person to cut in a line, or go right to the counter by
> passing the line along together. But my point is that tthe methods
> mentioned are not infact the best for everyone. Lets also not assume
> that if a person who cuts in line, who usues a guide dog, is trying to
> be rude.
> 
> Ok I have said my peace. All I am saying is that everyone needs to
> practice tolerance and kindness.
> 
> Marsha Drenth
> 
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