[nagdu] re ownership

Thu Nov 14 18:42:22 UTC 2013

Ownership has come to mean more to me over the years.  When I was a GDB 
client, I chose ownership because I wanted the full legal and moral 
responsibility for my dog.  If I felt she needed surgery, for instance, I 
didn't want to feel obligated to notify the school and discuss it.  I 
figured it was between me and my vet to choose the best course of action. 
Which is what I did, even when I didn't officially own my dog, but I felt 
like I was being a bit sneaky.
Now I have switched to The Seeing Eye, where I get ownership as soon as I 
leave, as a matter of course.  I like that very much.  Others are of course 
free to feel differently.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <craig.heaps at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] re ownership

>I am one of those who really doesn't care. My guide, Chase, is great and we 
>have a wonderful bond. But that's not changed by who owns him. At Guide 
>Dogs for the Blind, I can apply for ownership after a year. I've had Chase 
>four months now, and I'm not sure I'll apply in eight months from now. I'm 
>really not concerned they are going to take Chase away from me. That is not 
>to say I don't understand and respect the opinions of those who want 
>ownership of their guides.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:05:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] re ownership
>
> Aggreed! Although I'm in favor of ownership, I know some who just don't
> care! I do strongly recomend that folks should look at the school 
> contracts
> before they sign so as to know as much as possible and avoid unpleasant
> surprises! The contracts should be lookede at and us as consumers should
> decide based on what we like or don't.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:40 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] re ownership
>
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I have to weigh in on this conversation with a potential guide dog user. 
>> I
>> am in total agreement that ownership is one of the issues I recommend
>> people look at when picking a school but I think we should keep away from
>> blanket statements about what is good or bad. It is up to the individual
>> to assess how they feel about the owner rules. I think it is important to
>> talk to a school about why they have such a policy and when do they
>> enforce it. I wasn't happy that the school I went to had a policy where
>> they have ownership until retirement but I decided to go there anyways.
>> Once I got there and talked with the trainers and head of their program I
>> learned that they have very rarely taken a dog back and it is 99% because
>> a person has let their dog get extremely over weight. Even then, they 
>> take
>> the dog for three months to get it's weight down and work with the client
>> to further educate them on looking after their dog. After the 3 months
>> they return the dog and monitor the situation closely. They will take the
>> dog away if it is allowed to get over weight again. So, yes I would 
>> prefer
>> ownership but am able to live with this policy at this time. However, it
>> is not as simple as saying I lent you a book and I can just take it back
>> at any time, or at least all situations wouldn't be that cut and dry.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> PS: I'm celebrating that I got very behind on the list last year. My
>> webmail doesn't allow bulk deletes so I actually went through over 4000
>> emails in the past six months and am now finally up to date! Silly but
>> made me feel good to delete the last old message from September 2012. :)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:51:57 -0700 (MST)
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant I am 
>> part
>> time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.
>>
>> I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no sight,
>> and now I find that people who are legally blind can use a guide dog. I
>> don't like using a cane I feel funny. Plus I have had abit of trouble 
>> with
>> night and bright day vision since I get glaucoma. Plus I am in my fifties
>> and go home at night and I end up in the best part of town. I have not 
>> had
>> trouble yet, but all the people going to the bar and the guys out pan
>> handling, well it would be nice to have a friend with me. plus sometimes
>> when I cross so of the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
>> Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known this.
>>
>> If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.
>>
>> Barb
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>> Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got nothing to
>> loose.
>> Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
>> I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes. GDF does. Any school that doesn't grant
>> ownership can take your dog back. Think of it like renting. If that gives
>> you the willies, then you do need a school that grants ownership.
>> Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to do this?
>> I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now? Maybe if you
>> can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
>> I had two dogs, and now use a cane. If you like, email me off-list.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for that. I don't have the option to say it's like taking classes,
>> cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my job. I am a low
>> level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.
>>
>> I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog. That does bother 
>> me.
>> But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I can't get
>> that kind of time off.
>>
>>
>> Barb
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>> Barb,
>> Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or other
>> training, training that you will use to help make you a better employee.
>> Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer, many do
>> offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
>> I'd approach from that angle.
>> As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant ownership,
>> which means they can take your dog at any time for any reason. It's be
>> like if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked. The
>> school may never do this to you, but they do have that option.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>> Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know what the
>> issues are. I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to stricked in
>> some of their needs and conditions, I will look into another school. If
>> the people who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I
>> may need to know. I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week
>> program. How if I can get my boss to let me talk that time, I would go
>> there, or pilot dogs.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Barb
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>
>> Best of luck choosing a school. Whatever school you choose, be sure to
>> familiarize yourself with its contract. Some schools do not grant you 
>> full
>> ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions be met. There are
>> several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.
>>
>>
>> Tai
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to my house
>>> and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a GSD. It is
>>> hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks would be
>>> hard. I know that I still have to take time off to train with Fidelco,
>>> but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that as a 
>>> training
>>> session. Plus I have two dogs at home that are my roommates, and the
>>> trainer could maybe help with introducing them.
>>>
>>> Barb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>
>>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list. It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for the 
>>> Blind
>>> has a two week training program. They have campuses in California and
>>> Oregon. Their website is www.guidedogs.com.
>>>
>>> Tai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb
>>>>
>>>> I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any pepper
>>>> work yet. I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4 weeks
>>>> away from home and work a bit much to work around. I want a dog and 
>>>> hope
>>>> to get things started soon.
>>>>
>>>> Barb
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