[nagdu] an interesting conversation I just had

melissa R green graduate56 at juno.com
Thu Nov 21 16:38:57 UTC 2013


I haven't had any experience like you have described.
Best,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
COAGDU President
"We love because he first loved us."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kristen" <kskristen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] an interesting conversation I just had


No bruises, thank goodness. Video taping would be a good idea,
though; thanks! Yes, unfortunately, I think that about everyone
has had those experiness with O&M instructors. (I think it would
be a little hard to be an O&M instructor with no vision, but I am
consjdering becoming a TVI.)

--
Kristen


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:45:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [nagdu] an interesting conversation I just had

Kristen,

Good going! I've dealt with O&M instructors like that and wish I
had
been more proactive about seeing their behavior was dealt with.
So still
paying the bills and others still come out of that program
needing
treatment for the injuries. The verbal abuse she gave you sounds
hauntingly familiar, too. Sorry you had to go through that!

Did she leave bruises when she grabbed your arm and yanked? If
so,
getting pics of them wouldn't hurt. And video of her behavior
might
prove helpful, too, while your mother is following! Those are
just
suggestions, of course, based on what I wish I had done.

Good luck and let us know what happens!

Tami

On 11/20/2013 04:47 PM, Kristen wrote:
 I will certainly keep you posted. My mother is going to walk
with us
 next time (without telling the instructor ahead of time) to
check it
 out, and we will go from there. We are also calling the school I
went
 through before she gets to them first. It was very
unprofessional and
 unsafe. I appreciate all of the positive feeedback and
suggestions.

 Julie, last year, (I was using a cane, then) I had a para in my
high
 school try to push me down the stairs, not telling me I was near
them.
 She is gone now, but some people just have no clue! At the time,
I
 grabbed on to her to balance and said, "If you're going to make
me fall,
 you're going down with me!"

 Oh, and Abigail, thanks; he is from a fm-car-themed litter. :)

 --
 Kristen


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:24:36 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] an interesting conversation I just had

 Kristen,
 The O&M instructor you have, needs to be educated. It is never
right for
 an instructor to put their hands on you and your dog. If the
person
 claims they no nothing about guide dogs, then they should not be
 commenting. I would give the O&M supervisor a call, write up a
 description to what happened, and even get your guide dog school
 involved to educate the O&M instructor. Its no wonder the dog
was so
 stressed out, because of that very poorly trained O&M
instructor.
 Keep us updated on what happens.

 Marsha drenth
 Sent with my IPhone

 On Nov 20, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Kristen <kskristen at gmail.com>
wrote:

 I had a similar experience today with my dog on an O&M lesson.

 The instructor attempted to direct me on how to properly command
 Corvette, even though she then admitted that she has no
experence
 working with guide dogs. She kept turning us around, making
Corvette
 very confused and unable to move forward. She wouldn't let him
use the
 bathroom when he was anxious (that is always how I know when he
has to
 go). I couldn't do anything right for her today.

 She later yanked my arm and his leash to make us go the way she
wanted.
 I moved my hand, so that I was holding on to her, but she said:
"You're
 not even doing sighted guide correctly; does your mother let you
get
 away with this when you hold on to her?" (She said that I needed
to have
 my fingers on one side of her arm and my thumb on the other -
like a pop
 can - whereas I put my whole hand around someone's arm.) When
Corvette
 was extremely confused because of her, I asked her if she could
guide me
 back to the car, but she refused. Later, she told me that I need
to take
 the time to practice with Corvette because he is losing skills,
which is
 untrue.

 I think you did the right thing with the person walking with
you. People
 who know nothing about guide dogs have no say. We have been
through
 training and know what to do in these instances.

 --
 Kristen


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
 To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:03:22 -0500
 Subject: [nagdu] an interesting conversation I just had

 Hello all,
 My main point of this message is to see what you all thought of
a
 situation that just came up.
 I was walking with someone, on my way from my genetics class to
 statistics. The minute we walked out the door of the biological
 sciences building, I knew Dallas was not at all focused. He was
 pulling left, nearly ran me into a pole, and being very sniffy.
I gave
 a verbal correction, a "hup-up" and we made it to the mid-block
 crossing I had to use, which wasn't very far from  the building,
We
 got across the street OK. Dallas veered a bit, but the
"straight"
 command had him positioned beautifully for the up curb.
 After going up the curb, Dallas seemed very distracted, so I
 stopped, gave a sharp correction, and tried to move on. The
individual
 walking with me said "Hey, don't do that! I'm right here!" I
promptly
 and rather sharply said: "If you weren't here, he's got to
focus. I
 could've just gotten hit by a car because he was not focused at
all."
 I got a grudging "OK" and we moved on.
 Not ten feet later, Dallas pulled off like he had to park. He
didn't
 have a regular stool this morning, so I let him go.
Unfortunately, I
 dropped the leash accidentally and my walking companion grabbed
it and
 would not give it back. All Dallas did was sniff, eat leaves,
and chew
 on nuts, so, when I heard he had a nut in his mouth, I took the
leash,
 grabbed the nut out of Dallas's mouth, and threw it away. Dallas
never
 did park, so I tried to move on. My companion asked me if I had
fed
 Dallas this morning, then went on to suggest that Dallas had
 intestinal issues because he was trying to eat grass and leaves.
I
 told him that Dallas was just being stubborn and that he needed
to
 understand that I would not take this garbage from him. This
person
 said: "Well, right where you're correcting him is right on his
 jugular, and you don't want to mess that up." I attempted to
explain
 the strength of the neck muscles, but this person just wouldn't
stop.
 Meanwhile, Dallas wouldn't go anywhere, so I chose to take the
 person's arm and walk with Dallas at heel because I didn't have
much
 time and it was evident that all Dallas wanted to do was eat. I
tried
 to explain to this person that Dallas is a hard-headed dog and
needs a
 good "tail-kicking." This person said "well, don't hurt him!" I
cannot
 believe the ignorance of this individual. But was I right in
what I
 did? Shis person left me with a nasty comment of "well take care
of
 him." Like I don't love and deeply care for my dog. Oh, what a
mess!
 Aleeha and the insolent Dallas

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