[nagdu] Hypothetical Situation

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Thu Mar 20 22:09:43 UTC 2014 

Tami, thanks! You got the spirit of what I am getting at!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tami Jarvis" <tami at poodlemutt.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hypothetical Situation


> +Larry,
>
> That is tragic, and it does happen. We were really cautious about leaving 
> Mitzi home alone with Daisy in case something set off Daisy's anxieties 
> and fear aggression. The two of them got along just fine, but Daisy did 
> have her triggers. In her case, we knew well enough what we were dealing 
> with to not take chances. With the mutt, I don't worry when they're home 
> alone together, but that hardly ever happens anyway.
>
> Given the amount of money the programs put into the dogs they train, I 
> think liability if a pet in the house injures or kills the service dog 
> must be a consideration somewhere... Would the state's service dog 
> protection law come into play so that the owner of the offending dog would 
> have to pay the replacement value?
>
> Whether the program would provide a replacement to that handler is 
> something to wonder about... There's probably a lot of "it depends" in 
> there. Did the handler know the other dog was aggressive? Were there 
> warning signs? Under what circumstances were the two dogs left 
> unsupervised? Is there a likelihood the owner of the aggressive dog would 
> bring in another just like it or do something to turn a non-aggressive dog 
> mean? I suddenly wonder if the various programs have policies about such 
> things or if they would examine it on a case-by-case basis. I can't see it 
> coming up often, but over the years, it must have come up somewhere. Hm...
>
> Tami
>
> On 03/20/2014 12:07 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>> zzno, that really isn't the point. I'm just curious about what could
>> happen. I've already learned to live with the real situation. I'm just
>> curious about what might happen if it were a service animal from a
>> school what could happen.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" 
>> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hypothetical Situation
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Larry. In that case, just let it go. Sometimes really bad
>>> things
>>> just happen.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D.
>>> Keeler
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:35 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hypothetical Situation
>>>
>>> A tragic accisent. The dog was maybe a year old.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer"
>>> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hypothetical Situation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Was the dog aggressive (had been taught to fight) or was this a tragic
>>>> accident?
>>>> My retired guide dog went to live with my parents. She had some health
>>>> problems which they were trying to treat. One day they left the retired
>>>> dog
>>>> alone with their dog, and their dog killed my retired dog. 
>>>> Interestingly
>>>> enough, my sister's pit bull was also there, and did not get involved. 
>>>> I
>>>> don't want to go into how we know this, but believe me, the evidence 
>>>> was
>>>> not
>>>> pleasant.  And yes, my dad put his dog down the next day. That's really
>>>> all
>>>> you can do.
>>>>
>>>> Believe me that day was horrible. My dad called to tell me what had
>>>> happened. I knew something was very wrong because he called when I was
>>>> giving my then toddler a bath. He never called during that time. He 
>>>> also
>>>> insisted I get my husband, something he didn't even do when my grandpa
>>>> died,
>>>> or when my sister had been rushed to the hospital and was on life
>>>> support
>>>> after a very serious auto accident. When my dad called to tell me about
>>>> Jersey, he was crying so hard and was so incoherent, I thought he was
>>>> going
>>>> to tell me my mom or sister had died in some sort of accident. I have
>>>> never
>>>> seen my dad cry like that before or since. I hope I never do again.
>>>> My parents' dog was a mutt, one they got at a chicken auction. She was 
>>>> a
>>>> puppy when they got her and hadn't been aggressive before. I've read 
>>>> how
>>>> dogs will kill an injured member of the pack. I'd just never seen it
>>>> happen
>>>> until that day.
>>>> Larry, I wouldn't worry about this unless you know for a fact that
>>>> someone
>>>> is training dogs to be aggressive. Some things are just tragic
>>>> accidents.
>>>> "Would have, could have, should have" don't help after the fact.
>>>> Your friend's boyfriend probably feels a lot of guilt over what
>>>> happened.
>>>> I
>>>> wouldn't cause him any more pain. I also wouldn't encourage legal
>>>> action.
>>>> What would be gained?  And for those of you still with us, my sister is
>>>> ok.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D.
>>>> Keeler
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:11 AM
>>>> To: doggie
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Hypothetical Situation
>>>>
>>>> Well, this inquiry is based on a true situation. However, the dogs
>>>> involved
>>>> were not service dogs. A friend of mine had a really mellow black
>>>> lab. Her
>>>> boyfriend got a pit mix. They left the 2 dogs alone after a couple of
>>>> months
>>>> and the pit mix basically killed the lab. The dog was put down. What 
>>>> got
>>>> me
>>>> thinking is that one of the folks involved got a guide dog. I started
>>>> wondering what if her boyfriend wanted another aggressive dog and
>>>> something
>>>> happened like that again. Who would be responsible for the loss of the
>>>> dog.
>>>> Sence she is a new handler, she is still not the dogs owner. This she 
>>>> is
>>>> ok
>>>> with. And, I don't think they will get another dog iether. I was just
>>>> thinking what a mess it could be if you had a partner or spouse who
>>>> got an
>>>> aggressive dog and who would ultimately be responsible for in effect 
>>>> the
>>>> damage of school or perhapse your property. If the other dog was
>>>> attained
>>>> after the service dog was, I'd think it would complicate issues. Of
>>>> course,
>>>> I know that you can ask questions and get help from schools if you
>>>> already
>>>> have a pet. I did. But, I know folks might forget or think its none of
>>>> there
>>>> schools buisness whether or not they get another pet. I'm sure that
>>>> if the
>>>> dog is yours then you could file a claim against your partner but how
>>>> many
>>>> folks would do that and, if you aggreed to let them bring a new dog in,
>>>> I'd
>>>> think you would share the responsibility. However, if the school
>>>> still had
>>>> ownership, who would be charged ans would they the student or partner
>>>> have
>>>> to pay? Or, could a school refuse to train the person with a second 
>>>> dog?
>>>> just food for thaught. I'm a curious guy, what can I say!!
>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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