[nagdu] GDB time-out

Wed May 7 00:30:43 UTC 2014

hi, I really like methods of training and working with Tres that work 
with leash corections as little as posible
On 5/6/2014 1:59 PM, Raven Tolliver wrote:
> I could ask the same thing of those who advocate for leash or collar
> corrections. Are you in favor of those methods? If you aren't, you
> surely use something in place of positive punishment, or leash
> corrections. This is where negative punishment comes in to play, when
> a simple verbal cue is not enough to get a dog back on track. Take a
> breather, then resume. It is not a hassle, and does not involve
> evoking or displaying any feelings of frustration or anger.
>
> On 5/6/14, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> What happem to no and leave it commands?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:47 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>
>> You are more likely to get hurt if your dog is distracted and not paying
>> attention to where he is taking you.
>> Time-outs are a part of handling the real world, for both dogs and people.
>> Distractions and bad days are a part of the real world for both dogs and
>> people. We need positive, calming ways of dealing with that. The time-out
>> is
>> one of them.
>>
>> On 5/6/14, Craig Heaps <craig.heaps at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> My suggestion would be that if that's your concern, don't use it.
>>> I've used
>>>
>>> it in lots of busy places, BART stations, streets of Oakland, baseball
>>> games
>>>
>>> at AT&T Park.  People adjust and move around us.  If you think New
>>> Yorkers are incapable of adjusting, then don't risk your safety.
>>>
>>> Certainly I've never used it in the middle of an intersection.
>>>
>>> Our instructors at GDB gave us a saying, "When in doubt, time out."
>>> It was
>>>
>>> kind of a reset button.  They told us the dogs were trained to know
>>> that when we released the harness handle, something was wrong.  They
>>> used it a lot for dog distractions.  If we came on a dog (sometimes
>>> placed there by other insturctors for our training), and our dogs were
>>> distracted, we would
>>>
>>> drop the handle, pull the dog close, and wait for ten seconds or so.
>>> We would then "forward".  If the dog were undistracted for ten or
>>> fifteen paces, we would "halt" and reward for undistracted behavior.
>>>
>>> Craig and Chase
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 11:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>
>>>
>>>> How would time out work in busy city like New York on a busy side walk.
>>>> This
>>>> may work in theory on class but but would not work in rush hour on a
>>>> busy side walk you would be run over. Time out is not going to work
>>>> in a city like New York, guide dog nust be able to handle the real
>>>> world and you need to move on you just can't stop any old place and
>>>> say I need a time out for my guide dog the public is not going to
>>>> under stand and you night get hurt.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>> Carcione
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 12:12 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sherry.
>>>> I think you and I are coming from the same place--longtime dog users,
>>>> a bit skeptical of these newfangled ideas, but willing to give them a
>>>> try.
>>>> I think I'll try this time-out thing on my way home today.  I may get
>>>> ten people asking me if I'm OK while I stop and become a tree, but
>>>> I'll be interested to see how it goes.
>>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> We also use the time out if the dog gets distracted in the field. To
>>>>> my surprise, it really works. I was quite skeptical of the concept
>>>>> till I tried it. All my dogs have been pretty easy to manage, and
>>>>> I've tried the verbal correcting thing with her, just a simple, no hop
>> up.
>>>>> but the time out works better. and pretty much every time, after the
>>>>> ten seconds are done and I pick up the harness and say forward, off
>>>>> we go. Once the dog moves past whatever distracted it, we generally
>>>>> halt and praise and feed, or in the case of my dog, praise and love up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>>> Carcione
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:08 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB time-out
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been reading Sherry's GDB training journal with great interest.
>>>>> She mentions something I never heard of before that they call a
>>>>> time-out.  If I understand correctly, when the dog, for instance, is
>>>>> not heeling properly, the person stops, holds the leash near the
>>>>> collar to keep the dog out of mischief, and stonily ignores the dog
>>>>> for 10 seconds.  This bums the dog out, and he resolves to do better.
>>>>> Have I got it right?  Is it used in other places, besides heeling?
>>>>> Have people found that it works?
>>>>> I'm thinking I might give it a try, when Ben is feeling sniffy.  He
>>>>> likes to keep boogying down the road; stopping and doing nothing
>>>>> might be an effective correction. Ben couldn't care less if I ignore
>>>>> him, but I could see how it might affect a softer dog.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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