[nagdu] I gotta go out - Claire Rose

Sat Aug 8 03:52:27 UTC 2015

I think most dogs have their individual ways of letting us know that
they need to go out.
I recently did a group puppy handout, where I sat down with three or
four raisers and went through the paperwork and bag of goodies they
get along with their puppies. Obviously, some people are on their
first, while others have raised tens of pups. During the handout
discussion, one of the raisers asked me what they should teach the dog
to do to signify that it needs to go out. Another raiser piped up and
said, "Oh Honey, they all have different ways of telling us they need
to go out. It's up to us to either listen to the dog or clean up the
mess."
Another common adage from puppy-raisers is that you are house-trained
before the dog is. Before the dog can be counted on not to go indoors,
you quickly learn the signs of your specific pup that it needs to go
out.

I think this is true. I don't think I've ever seen a dog just stand up
and take a leak or a dump. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that I
haven't seen it in healthy dogs.
Some dogs are very vocal about needing to go out, while others show
you rather than tell you. Some dogs will bark, whine, or groan. Some
will jump up on you, come sit quietly next to you, or nudge you. And
others will go sit by the door and maybe paw at it. And still others
just walk around and around, pace, or move around restlessly until
somebody gets the message or that unfortunate accident happens.
And we quickly reinforce that dog's particular signals. So if your
dog's initial signal was whining by the door after she learned that
going outside is where she does her business, then she continued doing
it because it got somebody to open the door up and take her to potty.
Because the Golden Guy was taken outside to get busy after coming to
sit by my puppy-raisers, he continues to use that signal to
communicate that he needs to go out.
So I think it's more of a learned thing on the part of the person
rather than the dog. Given, if one signal doesn't work, dogs will
sometimes step it up, anything to avoid doing their business in the
house.

One time, I thought the Golden Guy was begging for food because I had
some fruit and he sat down by my chair. I told him to lay down. So he
did, then he sat back up and huffed. Again, I cued him to lay down. He
went to lay down by the door. Then returned to me again and sat by me
and started groaning. Then he started pacing around and huffing. I
instantly realized that he needed to go outside. I felt horribly
because he is not the kind of dog who begs at all, but I immediately
thought he was begging because I had food. Fortunately, our dogs are
forgiving, and try to hold out as long as they can, especially that
time, because it was really bad diarrhea.

So all dogs do have their signs, but for those dogs who don't make an
auditory cue or don't come to get you if you're not in the same room,
teaching them to ring a bell is a great idea.

Should all puppy-raisers be taught to teach the dogs a certain
behavior. I'm not sure. From what I do know, puppy-raisers are taught
to relieve the dogs on a schedule. They tell you that for every month
the puppy gains in age, that's another hour they can hold their
bladder. Some people throw in "and add an hour to that." I wouldn't
risk it if your dog is not yet familiar with its environment. And
also, that goes out the window in the face of high amounts of physical
activity and increased water intake.
It really is a matter of knowing your dog.
For instance, you would think the Golden Guy would need to pee more if
he drinks more. I certainly did when I first got him, but that is not
the case. In the hotter months of July and August, the Golden Guy will
only pee about 2 times a day, at most 3 times. It makes no sense at
all, but if I take him outside more than that, he will just lay down
or sit in the grass and pant as if it is too hot to move. If he's
running around with other dogs and drinking water, it's a different
story, but any other day, going out twice  during the hotter months
suits him just fine.
-- 
Raven
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On 8/7/15, S L Johnson via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Buddy:
>
> Thanks for this website.  I checked it out.  Below I've pasted their
> training tips for those of you who already have a bell and want to train
> their dog to ring it.
>
> Dog Potty Training with PoochieBells®
>
> Since PoochieBells is a communication tool, any age or breed of dog can
> learn this behavior quickly.
>
> Step 1: Introduce
> Hang PoochieBells inside the house on a doorknob or hook next to the door
> your dog exits to go out and leave it there so it is accessible at all times
>
> for your dog to ring.
>
> Step 2: Associate and Be Clear
> Every time you let your dog out to potty, bring the dog to the bells to
> sniff, ring them, and state a command such as "Outside, ring your bells!",
> praise the dog, then take him/her out to potty. We do not recommend playing
>
> with or giving the dog a treat at that time. You want him/her to associate
> ringing the bells with potty time only.
>
> Step 3: Praise and Repeat
> Throughout conditioning, continue your command, be consistent and praise
> your dog for their attention and wanted behavior. Consistency is key.
>
> Repeat this training method until your dog begins to ring the bells on their
>
> own.
>
>
> I've trained all my past guides to ring a bell or small wind chime that I
> kept hanging on the door.  My last dog Tara would take her front paw and tap
>
> on the door.  I didn't teach her this, her puppy raiser must have done it.
> Eva goes to the door and cries.  I didn't teach her either so again, her
> puppy raiser must have done it.  I think all the schools should instruct the
>
> puppy raisers to make this part of their puppy training.
>
> Sandra and Eva
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buddy Brannan via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I gotta go out - Claire Rose
>
> Try these:
> http://poochie-pets.net/
>
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Nancy VanderBrink via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps this is a silly question, but would someone be able to tell me
>> where I could find a bill like this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nancy V. Irwin
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Danielle Ledet via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey I like that. think I will do tht with next pup.
>>>
>>>> On 8/7/15, David via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> One of the first things I wanted to do after we got home from GDF
>>>> earlier this month was to train my new guide dog to let me know when
>>>> she
>>>> wanted to go out.  I hung a small cowbell on the door handle, placed my
>>>> fist above the bell and said, "Ring the bell."  I repeated this three
>>>> times, treating each time Clarie Rose rang the bell. Then I said, "Ring
>>>> the bell." without marking the bell with my fist.   It took a couple of
>>>> repeats as she figured out what to do.  When she rang the bell, I
>>>> treated and praised her.  We repeated that about four times.  Each time
>>>> when I  went out to relieve her after that, I said, "Ring the bell."
>>>> and
>>>> didn't open the door until she rang the bell.  She picked that up
>>>> pretty
>>>> quickly.  After two days of doing that, I took her to the door and
>>>> said,
>>>> "Ring the bell for busy-busy."  Now when she starts fidgeting I say,
>>>> "Ring the bell if you need to busy-busy."   That was two days ago.
>>>> We're now working on the next step.  I suspect that she will start
>>>> ringing the bell on her own after a few more days as she closes in on
>>>> the association. I will add treats back in at first when she does this.
>>>> We had done this with another dog that was a pet, but I have to say, it
>>>> took a lot longer to get that pup to ring the bell completely on her
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> Claire is one smart cookie, though.  I did the same thing with traffic
>>>> crossing buttons, but it only took one lesson on one intersection and
>>>> four tries.  She now drags me to the pole with the buttons at any
>>>> intersection with the command, "Find the button." ... even when the
>>>> intersection is configured differently. Fortunately, they put the two
>>>> intersection buttons on the same pole down here.  We'll deal with left
>>>> and right buttons when we encounter that, I guess.  We use the same
>>>> command for elevator buttons and she is a whiz.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty proud of her, can't you tell?
>>>>
>>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/7/2015 1:06 PM, Kaye Kipp via nagdu wrote:
>>>>> I know a puppy raiser who puts the bell on the door and the dog goes
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> door and rings it.  I'm not sure how she trains them to do it though,
>>>>> but
>>>>> if
>>>>> it's hanging down on the door, it's easily accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kaye
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Danielle
>>>
>>> Email: singingmywayin at gmail.com
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