[NAGDU] Tips please

Thu Dec 31 12:02:25 UTC 2015

Hi, Ages ago, while training in 2000 with LD Sequoia, my first Leader Dog my trainer taught me how to do a "Harness Correction". It is usually coupled with a firm "Steady". The harness correction is basically a quick pump of the handle forward then back without continued backwards pressure on the handle, not a vertical up and down pump as I've seen described here on the list.I still use it, but when I returned in 2003 to train with LD Patriot,  I was informed by our trainer that Leader Dog no longer used , nor taught the harness correction to students. I continue using it because it works and it is a handy adjunct correction to leash corrections and draws less attention to the team than a leash correction does.As always...Your Mileage May Vary. ..
Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,

Wayne M. Scace 

-------- Original message --------
From: Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
Date: 12/31/2015  00:18  (GMT-06:00) 
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Tips please 

Yes Viviana described it correctly "pumping" as pressure-release. It's
just moving the harness handle up and down while working to get the
dogs attention. Thanks for clarifying Pilot's word choice as well
Vivana. Dar, chuckle chuckle. I liked what you said, "When the tricks
of the trade that we have been taught don't work, we trade tricks"! So
true. That is what we are hear for on these lists. Sandra, thanks for
what you said as well about others showing compassion for those of us
with diminished strength and stamina. I now fit into that category and
it is nice to know there are tools and support out there to help us
still be able to work a dog.

On 12/30/15, bettyJo via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> hi Dar,
>
> Your phrase "will against will@" doesn't surprise me.  Years ago when I got
> my first guide we were all warned that during week 3 and then again after we
> were home for a while our dogs would test the envelope.  sure enough our
> dogs tested us just as the trainers warned us.
>
> i now have my 4th guide and she is from a different school.  they have all
> tested the envelope.
>
> i choose to find many many opportunities to tell my dog she is good so I am
> not a "bad guy" in her eyes (and mine too).
>
> Only work on a couple behaviors at a time.  write down what you're workking
> on and log your progress.
>
> reward reward reward.  it might take a lot of dedication on your part but
> you won't feel like you are fighting with your dog because you're teaching
> her what you want to happen.
>
> (worked with my kids too!)
>
> hang in.
>
> diane,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 5:02 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Dar:
>
> I am so sorry you received a hateful message from someone on this list.  I
> have been the recipient of many of them over the years.  I thought the
> purpose of these lists was to support one another and to offer helpful
> suggestions, not to send cruel messages to a person's private email address.
> Maybe the list should be set up in such a way that our email addresses are
> not shown.  .  Dar is reaching out for support and suggestions, she doesn't
> deserve cruelty.  Working a guide dog when you have secondary medical issues
> is at times quite a challenge.  Does that mean we should not have guide
> dogs? No, definitely not but, it does mean we have to work twice as hard as
> the rest of you.  A lot of you write to get out and work the dog for a few
> miles a day.  Well for some of us, this is not possible.  Be thankful that
> you can do this but, do not criticize those of us who can not.  Please keep
> in mind, you too will get older, you too may develop some medical condition
> that limits your strength and stamina.  It can happen to anyone at any time
> so, be kind to those of us facing extra challenges.  That is my wish for the
> new year.
>
> Sandra and Goofy Golden, Eva
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:52 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Tips please
>
> Hello to everyone
> I have half a heart when she starts jerking her head around to let me
> know she wants nothing to do on her nose, my heart after a struggle slows
> down
> If there are others on the list with this same problem, please speak up.
> Please share what you do.
> I know the day will come when she will decide this isn't worth doing
> this any more.
> I don't have the halty if she wishes nothing over the nose I don't want
> to lose money.
> I have done gentle leader as well as can't think of the name.
>
> I received a message from a person last night that was not called for.
> It was private, they would have been scolded if it hit the list.
> I know how I was trained, where when the tricks of the trade don't
> work, then you trade tricks.
> She is in a spot where it is will against will.
> Smile,
> we call er Molly because we leave a long leash on her letting it drag
> in the house so we know where she is.
> Or I have it on my arm where she is under the desk.
> This has helped some.
> I just found a cord she thought might work for dinner.
> Glad she didn't chew it all the way threw.
> She can't climb on the desk any more because the leash tells on her.
> I have lots of patients with her.
> Again please heart patients come forward, it is ok to share what to do next.
> We want to live as long as we can.
>
> Original message:
>> Sometimes, you just have to stick it out and prove to the dog that he
>> doesnâ?Tt have a choice in wearing the gentle leader.
>
>> I agree with others that either the gentle leader, a micro prong, and/or
>> the chest strap from Pilot would help in this case.  Plus, lots and lots
>> of obedience around food and good smells to reinforce whoâ?Ts the boss.
>
>> Your dog is young and still has some growing up to do, so all of this will
>>
>> take time.
>> Cait
>
>>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> What do you mean by "she doesn't like anything on her nose"?
>>> Most dogs kick up a fuss about the Gentle Leader, but, when they see it's
>>> not coming off, they give up.  On the other hand, my Ben didn't fuss
>>> about
>>> it, but would walk like a snail when he had it on, so I gave up.
>>> Did Pilot issue you a GL?  Could you put it on her and leave it on for a
>>> bit, at home, where she couldn't cause you too much grief? Maybe put it
>>> on,
>>> and have her do obedience, or walk around with you, in or near your home.
>>> Krokus is an awful scavenger, but the GL does tone it down to a
>>> manageable
>>> level.  It also calms him down when he feels like bounding along.  If you
>>> can convince Penny to wear it, it sounds like it would help.
>>> Tracy
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:51 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Tips please
>
>>> I want to start by saying I am a heart patient, where after a good
>>> struggle
>>> I get quite tired.
>>> I have my girl wearing the artin gale collar.
>>> She doesn't like anything on her nose at all. Doesn't matter what it is.
>>> She is a bit strong for me and I have to listen to my body.
>>> Her nose lives on the ground or in a building of choice we are in at the
>>> time.
>>> Making her sit, she realizes she lies down then she can sniff floor and
>>> pick
>>> up what is down there.
>>> It can become quite frustrating.
>>> Then there are days when she won't give me grief over it at all.
>>> I don't want to keep buying stuff if I have to keep fighting her.
>>> just thought I would send out a message and get some tips.
>>> She wil also decide to pull hard like a truck, and your arm is wishing
>>> she
>>> would stop.
>>> Other days she will walk nicely.
>>> Thanks for reading.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
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>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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