[NAGDU] Tips please

Danielle Ledet singingmywayin at gmail.com
Thu Dec 31 15:01:45 UTC 2015


Yep that's it same thing. I didn't know that was what was meant by a
harness correction though.

On 12/31/15, Wayne And Harley via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Ages ago, while training in 2000 with LD Sequoia, my first Leader Dog my
> trainer taught me how to do a "Harness Correction". It is usually coupled
> with a firm "Steady". The harness correction is basically a quick pump of
> the handle forward then back without continued backwards pressure on the
> handle, not a vertical up and down pump as I've seen described here on the
> list.I still use it, but when I returned in 2003 to train with LD Patriot,
>  I was informed by our trainer that Leader Dog no longer used , nor taught
> the harness correction to students. I continue using it because it works and
> it is a handy adjunct correction to leash corrections and draws less
> attention to the team than a leash correction does.As always...Your Mileage
> May Vary. ..
> Yours, Very Sincerely And Respectfully,
>
> Wayne M. Scace
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Danielle Ledet via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 12/31/2015  00:18  (GMT-06:00)
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Tips please
>
> Yes Viviana described it correctly "pumping" as pressure-release. It's
> just moving the harness handle up and down while working to get the
> dogs attention. Thanks for clarifying Pilot's word choice as well
> Vivana. Dar, chuckle chuckle. I liked what you said, "When the tricks
> of the trade that we have been taught don't work, we trade tricks"! So
> true. That is what we are hear for on these lists. Sandra, thanks for
> what you said as well about others showing compassion for those of us
> with diminished strength and stamina. I now fit into that category and
> it is nice to know there are tools and support out there to help us
> still be able to work a dog.
>
>
> On 12/30/15, bettyJo via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> hi Dar,
>>
>> Your phrase "will against will@" doesn't surprise me.  Years ago when I
>> got
>> my first guide we were all warned that during week 3 and then again after
>> we
>> were home for a while our dogs would test the envelope.  sure enough our
>> dogs tested us just as the trainers warned us.
>>
>> i now have my 4th guide and she is from a different school.  they have all
>> tested the envelope.
>>
>> i choose to find many many opportunities to tell my dog she is good so I
>> am
>> not a "bad guy" in her eyes (and mine too).
>>
>> Only work on a couple behaviors at a time.  write down what you're
>> workking
>> on and log your progress.
>>
>> reward reward reward.  it might take a lot of dedication on your part but
>> you won't feel like you are fighting with your dog because you're teaching
>> her what you want to happen.
>>
>> (worked with my kids too!)
>>
>> hang in.
>>
>> diane,
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 5:02 PM, S L Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dar:
>>
>> I am so sorry you received a hateful message from someone on this list.  I
>> have been the recipient of many of them over the years.  I thought the
>> purpose of these lists was to support one another and to offer helpful
>> suggestions, not to send cruel messages to a person's private email
>> address.
>> Maybe the list should be set up in such a way that our email addresses are
>> not shown.  .  Dar is reaching out for support and suggestions, she
>> doesn't
>> deserve cruelty.  Working a guide dog when you have secondary medical
>> issues
>> is at times quite a challenge.  Does that mean we should not have guide
>> dogs? No, definitely not but, it does mean we have to work twice as hard
>> as
>> the rest of you.  A lot of you write to get out and work the dog for a few
>> miles a day.  Well for some of us, this is not possible.  Be thankful that
>> you can do this but, do not criticize those of us who can not.  Please
>> keep
>> in mind, you too will get older, you too may develop some medical
>> condition
>> that limits your strength and stamina.  It can happen to anyone at any
>> time
>> so, be kind to those of us facing extra challenges.  That is my wish for
>> the
>> new year.
>>
>> Sandra and Goofy Golden, Eva
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:52 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Tips please
>>
>> Hello to everyone
>> I have half a heart when she starts jerking her head around to let me
>> know she wants nothing to do on her nose, my heart after a struggle slows
>> down
>> If there are others on the list with this same problem, please speak up.
>> Please share what you do.
>> I know the day will come when she will decide this isn't worth doing
>> this any more.
>> I don't have the halty if she wishes nothing over the nose I don't want
>> to lose money.
>> I have done gentle leader as well as can't think of the name.
>>
>> I received a message from a person last night that was not called for.
>> It was private, they would have been scolded if it hit the list.
>> I know how I was trained, where when the tricks of the trade don't
>> work, then you trade tricks.
>> She is in a spot where it is will against will.
>> Smile,
>> we call er Molly because we leave a long leash on her letting it drag
>> in the house so we know where she is.
>> Or I have it on my arm where she is under the desk.
>> This has helped some.
>> I just found a cord she thought might work for dinner.
>> Glad she didn't chew it all the way threw.
>> She can't climb on the desk any more because the leash tells on her.
>> I have lots of patients with her.
>> Again please heart patients come forward, it is ok to share what to do
>> next.
>> We want to live as long as we can.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Sometimes, you just have to stick it out and prove to the dog that he
>>> doesnâ?Tt have a choice in wearing the gentle leader.
>>
>>> I agree with others that either the gentle leader, a micro prong, and/or
>>> the chest strap from Pilot would help in this case.  Plus, lots and lots
>>> of obedience around food and good smells to reinforce whoâ?Ts the boss.
>>
>>> Your dog is young and still has some growing up to do, so all of this
>>> will
>>>
>>> take time.
>>> Cait
>>
>>>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> What do you mean by "she doesn't like anything on her nose"?
>>>> Most dogs kick up a fuss about the Gentle Leader, but, when they see
>>>> it's
>>>> not coming off, they give up.  On the other hand, my Ben didn't fuss
>>>> about
>>>> it, but would walk like a snail when he had it on, so I gave up.
>>>> Did Pilot issue you a GL?  Could you put it on her and leave it on for a
>>>> bit, at home, where she couldn't cause you too much grief? Maybe put it
>>>> on,
>>>> and have her do obedience, or walk around with you, in or near your
>>>> home.
>>>> Krokus is an awful scavenger, but the GL does tone it down to a
>>>> manageable
>>>> level.  It also calms him down when he feels like bounding along.  If
>>>> you
>>>> can convince Penny to wear it, it sounds like it would help.
>>>> Tracy
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:51 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Tips please
>>
>>>> I want to start by saying I am a heart patient, where after a good
>>>> struggle
>>>> I get quite tired.
>>>> I have my girl wearing the artin gale collar.
>>>> She doesn't like anything on her nose at all. Doesn't matter what it is.
>>>> She is a bit strong for me and I have to listen to my body.
>>>> Her nose lives on the ground or in a building of choice we are in at the
>>>> time.
>>>> Making her sit, she realizes she lies down then she can sniff floor and
>>>> pick
>>>> up what is down there.
>>>> It can become quite frustrating.
>>>> Then there are days when she won't give me grief over it at all.
>>>> I don't want to keep buying stuff if I have to keep fighting her.
>>>> just thought I would send out a message and get some tips.
>>>> She wil also decide to pull hard like a truck, and your arm is wishing
>>>> she
>>>> would stop.
>>>> Other days she will walk nicely.
>>>> Thanks for reading.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
>>
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