[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 123, Issue 11 follow

Nancy VanderBrink vandyvanderbrink at outlook.com
Wed Jun 10 15:03:43 UTC 2015


Gazoo, what a great name. I'm curious I was always under the impression that guy dog school's top the "follow "command. Is this not always true?

Thanks,
Nancy VanderBrink
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> On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jack Rupert via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use the command follow when I am with my wife and she uses a scooter to
> get around and Gazoo just know he is to follow her now.
> We also use the command follow like when I am at the doctor's office and the
> technician or nurse wants me to go to a certain room
> it works really well to use follow and Gazoo will follow the person into the
> room and then be able to find the seat. He was not taught
> this command but he picked up on it really easily and I find it works fine
> for me. I still have some vision so that is an advantage for me versus
> someone who has no light vision at all but I do have a hearing problem and
> most of my vision loss is side vision and close-up,
> so I can at least see a shadow of the area in which I'm at.
> 
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>   1. Re: follow Command (S L Johnson)
>   2. Re: Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>      (Danielle Antoine)
>   3. Re: Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>      (larry d keeler)
>   4. Re: follow Command (Debby Phillips)
>   5. Re: follow Command (Debby Phillips)
>   6. Re: Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>      (Debby Phillips)
>   7. Forming a GDB alumni chapter in Massachusetts (minh ha)
>   8. Re: Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck (Cindy Ray)
>   9. Re: Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck (Cindy Ray)
>  10. Re: Forming a GDB alumni chapter in Massachusetts (Deanna Lewis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:45:35 -0400
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow Command
> Message-ID: <2E27AFD198184181BC86FBFB3D3E133D at SLJohnson>
> 
> Hi Danielle,
> 
> I agree with Rox.  I do follow the same way.  Eva was not taught follow at
> her guide dog school but, with consistent practice she very quickly became
> an excellent follower. Having the person call her name to get her attention
> has not caused any problems for us.  I don't know what the deal is about not
> mentioning the name.  I think it gets the dog's attention so they will then
> be expecting and listening for your next command.  As I said, practice,
> practice.  In time, she will get better and more consistent.  Good luck.
> 
> Sandra and Eva
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Pawpower Pack via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: The Pawpower Pack
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow Command
> 
> Danielle,
> I'm Deafblind and I'll tell you what I do.
> I first set it up and have her follow. Then I have the person we're
> following, check back every so often and if they notice her starting to lose
> track, they will call her name,  and that reminds her what she is supposed
> to be doing.
> I know for some people, it's a big no-no for other folks to know or use
> their dog's name when she's working but my opinion is that we are all
> different and I do what works for me, which may not work for someone else. 
> I have never had a problem with my dog getting distracted or putting me into
> danger by someone calling her name.
> Good luck!
> 
> Rox and the kitchen Bitches:
> Mill'E, Laveau, Soleil
> Pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Danielle Burton via nagdu 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Even with people she knows she isn't folliing consistently. I can see 
>> which it could be that dangg but I highly doubt it will be with her. 
>> It's inside places she has the most trouble. Outside is easier for her.
>> However, I need her to be able to do this because I cannot hear people 
>> from hardly any distance. So she needs to be able to consistently follow.
>> She can do it when I can hearand also tell her directions but when I 
>> can't hear she can't do it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Daryl Marie via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Danielle,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible that she is following in a crowded area so she is 
>>> confused who to follow? Is she able to follow people you know better 
>>> than strangers? Are there particular places she is more consistent 
>>> than others?
>>> 
>>> I think the danger in making following more fun than it is is the 
>>> possibility that she might then start following anyone...
>>> 
>>> Daryl
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Danielle Burton via nagdu 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
>>> NAGDU Mailing List <nagdu at nfbnet.org> Cc: Danielle Burton 
>>> <danielleburton94 at gmail.com> Sent: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:56:59 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: [nagdu] follow Command   Hi evernone, I wrote to the list a few 
>>> months ago dvicefor on the folow command. My dog is not a natural 
>>> following and is still struggling with this skill. How can I make 
>>> following more motivating for her. I may be going to fast for hg to 
>>> grasp the concept? She has successfully done it some but not
> consistently.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:28:01 -0500
> From: Danielle Antoine <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
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> Still not happy they were separated though. She musta not known about the
> ADA.
> 
>> On 6/9/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What a brave dog. I feel so badly. That poor woman and that poor dog. 
>> The woman was in shock; the dog wanted to stay with her. It actually 
>> makes me feel kind of awful, a little sick. I'm glad they will both be
> fine.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William 
>> Vandervest via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:19 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: William Vandervest
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD 
>> Lynerd timelord09 at att.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry D. Eagle via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Service dog jumps between blind owner, bus Peter D. Kramer, The 
>>> (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News Corrections & Clarifications: 
>>> An earlier version
>>> 
>>> of this report misstated the dog's name. BREWSTER, N.Y. When Figo the 
>>> service dog saw an oncoming mini school bus heading for Audrey Stone, 
>>> the blind woman
>>> 
>>> he was trained to guide, the golden retriever's protective instincts 
>>> kicked
>>> in: He threw himself at the closest part of the vehicle he could. 
>>> Police photos
>>> 
>>> show the result: fur stuck to the front driver's side wheel and in 
>>> the middle of Michael Neuner Avenue in New York, where the bus came 
>>> to a stop after
>>> 
>>> striking the pair. The driver of the Brewster school bus, carrying 
>>> two kindergartners to St. Lawrence O'Toole Childhood Learning Center, 
>>> told police he
>>> 
>>> didn't see the pair crossing the road as they made their way home at 
>>> about
>>> 8:15 Monday morning. But Figo saw the bus coming and leapt into action.
>>> Stone,
>>> 
>>> 62, suffered a fractured right elbow, three broken ribs, a fractured 
>>> ankle and a cut to her head in the accident, said Brewster Police 
>>> Chief John Del Gardo.
>>> 
>>> Figo's leg was cut down to the bone, said Paul Schwartz, who manages 
>>> the Xtra Mart gas station at the intersection and ran to the scene to
> help.
>>> "I
>>> don't
>>> 
>>> know if (the driver) thought (Stone) was going to move faster, but it 
>>> looks like the dog tried to take most of the hit for her," said 
>>> Schwartz, who lives
>>> 
>>> in Mahopac. When Schwartz reached the crash site Stone was bleeding 
>>> from her head and complaining of hip pain. "There were 15 EMTs and 
>>> people all around
>>> 
>>> her and the dog didn't want to leave her side," Schwartz said. "He 
>>> was flopping over to her and she didn't want him to get away from 
>>> her, either.
>>> She kept
>>> 
>>> screaming, 'Where's Figo? Where's Figo? Where's Figo? We kept telling 
>>> her
>>> 
>>> he
>>> was fine. Schwartz and one of the EMTs bandaged Figo's right leg. 
>>> Paul Schwartz,
>>> 
>>> manager of the Xtra Mart on North Main Street in Brewster. (Photo: 
>>> Peter D.
>>> Kramer/The Journal News) "The dog was being a good sport, really calm,"
>>> Schwartz
>>> 
>>> said. "He sat with me the whole time. He was limping as we put him on 
>>> a big blanket on the sidewalk and it started to rain. He let us wrap 
>>> up his leg without
>>> 
>>> any problem. He wasn't barking or crying or yelping. But he kept 
>>> pulling toward her. After she was put on a gurney and taken away, he 
>>> stopped doing that.
>>> 
>>> He seemed a little lost after she left. There are rules against 
>>> transporting animals in ambulances. Schwartz said Stone, who lives on 
>>> North Main Street
>>> 
>>> not far from the accident site, was "very upset as she was getting in 
>>> the ambulance that (Figo) wasn't with her. After she left, we put him 
>>> in the (Brewster
>>> 
>>> Fire Department) truck and they took him to the vet. A staff member 
>>> at Middlebranch Veterinary in Paterson confirmed that Figo was being 
>>> treated there
>>> 
>>> on Monday. Brewster Police Chief Del Gardo said later that the dog 
>>> was undergoing surgery on its leg. The bus had just come down Carmel 
>>> Avenue to North
>>> 
>>> Main Street and was turning onto Michael Neuner Drive when it struck 
>>> Stone and Figo in the unpainted crosswalk. "She got about to the 
>>> middle of the street
>>> 
>>> before the bus, which made a right on North Main and then a left onto 
>>> Michael Neuner," Del Gardo said. "(The driver's) eyes were oc'cup'ied 
>>> on the North
>>> 
>>> Main traffic. The driver of the mini-bus was given a summons for 
>>> failing to yield to a pedestrian. Steven Moskowitz, Brewster's 
>>> assistant superintendent
>>> 
>>> for human resources and technology, said the driver was taken to 
>>> Partners
>>> 
>>> in
>>> Safety in White Plains for routine post-accident drug and alcohol 
>>> testing,
>>> 
>>> the results of which should be available later in the week. The 
>>> driver was taken off duty while an investigation is conducted. Part 
>>> of that investigation
>>> 
>>> will be a review of dashboard cameras in the mini-bus and on another 
>>> bus that was in the area at the time, Moskowitz said. Moskowitz, who 
>>> would not discuss
>>> 
>>> the bus driver's driving history, said the two students were 
>>> transported to O'Toole by another bus and their parents were notified 
>>> of the accident.
>>> Del
>>> 
>>> Gardo said the bus wasn't traveling fast and stopped without leaving 
>>> skidmarks on the pavement. "The dog took a lot of the blow," Del 
>>> Gardo said.
>>> "And
>>> 
>>> he did not want to leave her side. He stood right with her. He was 
>>> there to save her. The chief said Stone, interviewed in her hospital 
>>> bed, was happy
>>> 
>>> to hear that Figo was being treated and that friends are working out 
>>> the details of the dog's care while Stone recovers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 23:20:23 -0400
> From: "larry d keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
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> Well, sometimes for medical care and such, it may be necisary to separate
> them. It can be easier to treat them separately. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Danielle Antoine
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> 
> Still not happy they were separated though. She musta not known about the
> ADA.
> 
>> On 6/9/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What a brave dog. I feel so badly. That poor woman and that poor dog. 
>> The woman was in shock; the dog wanted to stay with her. It actually 
>> makes me feel kind of awful, a little sick. I'm glad they will both be
> fine.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William 
>> Vandervest via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:19 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: William Vandervest
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD 
>> Lynerd timelord09 at att.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry D. Eagle via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Service dog jumps between blind owner, bus Peter D. Kramer, The 
>>> (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News Corrections & Clarifications:
>>> An earlier version
>>> 
>>> of this report misstated the dog's name. BREWSTER, N.Y. When Figo the 
>>> service dog saw an oncoming mini school bus heading for Audrey Stone, 
>>> the blind woman
>>> 
>>> he was trained to guide, the golden retriever's protective instincts 
>>> kicked
>>> in: He threw himself at the closest part of the vehicle he could. 
>>> Police photos
>>> 
>>> show the result: fur stuck to the front driver's side wheel and in 
>>> the middle of Michael Neuner Avenue in New York, where the bus came 
>>> to a stop after
>>> 
>>> striking the pair. The driver of the Brewster school bus, carrying 
>>> two kindergartners to St. Lawrence O'Toole Childhood Learning Center, 
>>> told police he
>>> 
>>> didn't see the pair crossing the road as they made their way home at 
>>> about
>>> 8:15 Monday morning. But Figo saw the bus coming and leapt into action.
>>> Stone,
>>> 
>>> 62, suffered a fractured right elbow, three broken ribs, a fractured 
>>> ankle and a cut to her head in the accident, said Brewster Police 
>>> Chief John Del Gardo.
>>> 
>>> Figo's leg was cut down to the bone, said Paul Schwartz, who manages 
>>> the Xtra Mart gas station at the intersection and ran to the scene to
> help.
>>> "I
>>> don't
>>> 
>>> know if (the driver) thought (Stone) was going to move faster, but it 
>>> looks like the dog tried to take most of the hit for her," said 
>>> Schwartz, who lives
>>> 
>>> in Mahopac. When Schwartz reached the crash site Stone was bleeding 
>>> from her head and complaining of hip pain. "There were 15 EMTs and 
>>> people all around
>>> 
>>> her and the dog didn't want to leave her side," Schwartz said. "He 
>>> was flopping over to her and she didn't want him to get away from 
>>> her, either.
>>> She kept
>>> 
>>> screaming, 'Where's Figo? Where's Figo? Where's Figo? We kept telling 
>>> her
>>> 
>>> he
>>> was fine. Schwartz and one of the EMTs bandaged Figo's right leg. 
>>> Paul Schwartz,
>>> 
>>> manager of the Xtra Mart on North Main Street in Brewster. (Photo: 
>>> Peter D.
>>> Kramer/The Journal News) "The dog was being a good sport, really calm,"
>>> Schwartz
>>> 
>>> said. "He sat with me the whole time. He was limping as we put him on 
>>> a big blanket on the sidewalk and it started to rain. He let us wrap 
>>> up his leg without
>>> 
>>> any problem. He wasn't barking or crying or yelping. But he kept 
>>> pulling toward her. After she was put on a gurney and taken away, he 
>>> stopped doing that.
>>> 
>>> He seemed a little lost after she left. There are rules against 
>>> transporting animals in ambulances. Schwartz said Stone, who lives on 
>>> North Main Street
>>> 
>>> not far from the accident site, was "very upset as she was getting in 
>>> the ambulance that (Figo) wasn't with her. After she left, we put him 
>>> in the (Brewster
>>> 
>>> Fire Department) truck and they took him to the vet. A staff member 
>>> at Middlebranch Veterinary in Paterson confirmed that Figo was being 
>>> treated there
>>> 
>>> on Monday. Brewster Police Chief Del Gardo said later that the dog 
>>> was undergoing surgery on its leg. The bus had just come down Carmel 
>>> Avenue to North
>>> 
>>> Main Street and was turning onto Michael Neuner Drive when it struck 
>>> Stone and Figo in the unpainted crosswalk. "She got about to the 
>>> middle of the street
>>> 
>>> before the bus, which made a right on North Main and then a left onto 
>>> Michael Neuner," Del Gardo said. "(The driver's) eyes were oc'cup'ied 
>>> on the North
>>> 
>>> Main traffic. The driver of the mini-bus was given a summons for 
>>> failing to yield to a pedestrian. Steven Moskowitz, Brewster's 
>>> assistant superintendent
>>> 
>>> for human resources and technology, said the driver was taken to 
>>> Partners
>>> 
>>> in
>>> Safety in White Plains for routine post-accident drug and alcohol 
>>> testing,
>>> 
>>> the results of which should be available later in the week. The 
>>> driver was taken off duty while an investigation is conducted. Part 
>>> of that investigation
>>> 
>>> will be a review of dashboard cameras in the mini-bus and on another 
>>> bus that was in the area at the time, Moskowitz said. Moskowitz, who 
>>> would not discuss
>>> 
>>> the bus driver's driving history, said the two students were 
>>> transported to O'Toole by another bus and their parents were notified 
>>> of the accident.
>>> Del
>>> 
>>> Gardo said the bus wasn't traveling fast and stopped without leaving 
>>> skidmarks on the pavement. "The dog took a lot of the blow," Del 
>>> Gardo said.
>>> "And
>>> 
>>> he did not want to leave her side. He stood right with her. He was 
>>> there to save her. The chief said Stone, interviewed in her hospital 
>>> bed, was happy
>>> 
>>> to hear that Figo was being treated and that friends are working out 
>>> the details of the dog's care while Stone recovers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:10:35 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,    nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow Command
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> One thing that I learned while in class, which was new is to actually say
> Nova, follow forward, or follow right, or follow left.  That seems to help.
> It isn't something that I do tons of, following.  They don't really guide
> when following, because they tend to just start looking at the person
> they're following, which is why giving them commands is important.  Then
> they still focus 
> on you, and not just the person they're following.    Peace,    
> Debby and Nova
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:10:37 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,    nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow Command
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> Then you need to tell people to be more verbal, and perhaps you might want
> to heel her sometimes in places where it's hard to hear and go sighted
> guide.  You all might be more comfortable.  I don't like to have my dogs
> follow for long distances, so I tend not to use the follow command very
> much, except in restaurants when being shone a table.  If it's very crowded
> and noisy, then 
> it's hard for the dogs to know who they should be following.    
> Peace,    Debby and Nova
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 21:10:43 -0700
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>,    nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> Message-ID: <5577b8c7.a15b460a.f8d4.2d6c at mx.google.com>
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> 
> Well, remember Danielle, her dog was also hurt and needed medical attention
> as well.  I'm just sorry that there weren't better communications, but am
> sure things are working out okay.  Figo 
> needs to heal, as well.    Debby and Nova
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 03:44:27 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Forming a GDB alumni chapter in Massachusetts
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I hope this message is not off topic and is appropriate and relevant to the
> list. I, along with a few other GDB graduates are forming an alumni chapter
> here in Massachusetts. If you are a GDB grad living in Massachusetts, I
> would love for you to email me if you are interested in being a part of the
> group. You can also participate if you are interested in GDB in any way or
> have had a GDB guide and wish to stay connected or want to learn more about
> GDB and their guide dogs. We just want this group to be a fun way for
> handlers to connect and have a good time socializing with one another.
> Please feel free to pass my message along to anyone you know living in
> Massachusetts that would benefit from this. I can be reached at
> minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Minh
> 
> --
> Minh Ha
> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their
> dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:40:27 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> Message-ID: <00a201d0a369$de426090$9ac721b0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I think in this case there was no choice. But the woman would be upset
> because she didn't know the extent of her own injuries or the dog's. It's
> just one of life's lemons, but the good news is they will be all right.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of larry d keeler
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:20 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: larry d keeler
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> 
> Well, sometimes for medical care and such, it may be necisary to separate
> them. It can be easier to treat them separately. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Antoine
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Danielle Antoine
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> 
> Still not happy they were separated though. She musta not known about the
> ADA.
> 
>> On 6/9/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What a brave dog. I feel so badly. That poor woman and that poor dog. 
>> The woman was in shock; the dog wanted to stay with her. It actually 
>> makes me feel kind of awful, a little sick. I'm glad they will both be
> fine.
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William 
>> Vandervest via nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:19 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: William Vandervest
>> Subject: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD 
>> Lynerd timelord09 at att.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry D. Eagle via nfbmi-talk" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List'" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Terry D. Eagle" <terrydeagle at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Service dog jumps between blind owner, bus Peter D. Kramer, The 
>>> (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News Corrections & Clarifications:
>>> An earlier version
>>> 
>>> of this report misstated the dog's name. BREWSTER, N.Y. When Figo the 
>>> service dog saw an oncoming mini school bus heading for Audrey Stone, 
>>> the blind woman
>>> 
>>> he was trained to guide, the golden retriever's protective instincts 
>>> kicked
>>> in: He threw himself at the closest part of the vehicle he could. 
>>> Police photos
>>> 
>>> show the result: fur stuck to the front driver's side wheel and in 
>>> the middle of Michael Neuner Avenue in New York, where the bus came 
>>> to a stop after
>>> 
>>> striking the pair. The driver of the Brewster school bus, carrying 
>>> two kindergartners to St. Lawrence O'Toole Childhood Learning Center, 
>>> told police he
>>> 
>>> didn't see the pair crossing the road as they made their way home at 
>>> about
>>> 8:15 Monday morning. But Figo saw the bus coming and leapt into action.
>>> Stone,
>>> 
>>> 62, suffered a fractured right elbow, three broken ribs, a fractured 
>>> ankle and a cut to her head in the accident, said Brewster Police 
>>> Chief John Del Gardo.
>>> 
>>> Figo's leg was cut down to the bone, said Paul Schwartz, who manages 
>>> the Xtra Mart gas station at the intersection and ran to the scene to
> help.
>>> "I
>>> don't
>>> 
>>> know if (the driver) thought (Stone) was going to move faster, but it 
>>> looks like the dog tried to take most of the hit for her," said 
>>> Schwartz, who lives
>>> 
>>> in Mahopac. When Schwartz reached the crash site Stone was bleeding 
>>> from her head and complaining of hip pain. "There were 15 EMTs and 
>>> people all around
>>> 
>>> her and the dog didn't want to leave her side," Schwartz said. "He 
>>> was flopping over to her and she didn't want him to get away from 
>>> her, either.
>>> She kept
>>> 
>>> screaming, 'Where's Figo? Where's Figo? Where's Figo? We kept telling 
>>> her
>>> 
>>> he
>>> was fine. Schwartz and one of the EMTs bandaged Figo's right leg. 
>>> Paul Schwartz,
>>> 
>>> manager of the Xtra Mart on North Main Street in Brewster. (Photo: 
>>> Peter D.
>>> Kramer/The Journal News) "The dog was being a good sport, really calm,"
>>> Schwartz
>>> 
>>> said. "He sat with me the whole time. He was limping as we put him on 
>>> a big blanket on the sidewalk and it started to rain. He let us wrap 
>>> up his leg without
>>> 
>>> any problem. He wasn't barking or crying or yelping. But he kept 
>>> pulling toward her. After she was put on a gurney and taken away, he 
>>> stopped doing that.
>>> 
>>> He seemed a little lost after she left. There are rules against 
>>> transporting animals in ambulances. Schwartz said Stone, who lives on 
>>> North Main Street
>>> 
>>> not far from the accident site, was "very upset as she was getting in 
>>> the ambulance that (Figo) wasn't with her. After she left, we put him 
>>> in the (Brewster
>>> 
>>> Fire Department) truck and they took him to the vet. A staff member 
>>> at Middlebranch Veterinary in Paterson confirmed that Figo was being 
>>> treated there
>>> 
>>> on Monday. Brewster Police Chief Del Gardo said later that the dog 
>>> was undergoing surgery on its leg. The bus had just come down Carmel 
>>> Avenue to North
>>> 
>>> Main Street and was turning onto Michael Neuner Drive when it struck 
>>> Stone and Figo in the unpainted crosswalk. "She got about to the 
>>> middle of the street
>>> 
>>> before the bus, which made a right on North Main and then a left onto 
>>> Michael Neuner," Del Gardo said. "(The driver's) eyes were oc'cup'ied 
>>> on the North
>>> 
>>> Main traffic. The driver of the mini-bus was given a summons for 
>>> failing to yield to a pedestrian. Steven Moskowitz, Brewster's 
>>> assistant superintendent
>>> 
>>> for human resources and technology, said the driver was taken to 
>>> Partners
>>> 
>>> in
>>> Safety in White Plains for routine post-accident drug and alcohol 
>>> testing,
>>> 
>>> the results of which should be available later in the week. The 
>>> driver was taken off duty while an investigation is conducted. Part 
>>> of that investigation
>>> 
>>> will be a review of dashboard cameras in the mini-bus and on another 
>>> bus that was in the area at the time, Moskowitz said. Moskowitz, who 
>>> would not discuss
>>> 
>>> the bus driver's driving history, said the two students were 
>>> transported to O'Toole by another bus and their parents were notified 
>>> of the accident.
>>> Del
>>> 
>>> Gardo said the bus wasn't traveling fast and stopped without leaving 
>>> skidmarks on the pavement. "The dog took a lot of the blow," Del 
>>> Gardo said.
>>> "And
>>> 
>>> he did not want to leave her side. He stood right with her. He was 
>>> there to save her. The chief said Stone, interviewed in her hospital 
>>> bed, was happy
>>> 
>>> to hear that Figo was being treated and that friends are working out 
>>> the details of the dog's care while Stone recovers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:45:30 -0500
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
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> I think they tried to reassure her. She had to be in pain and frightened and
> a host of other things that made her react in ways she wouldn't have if she
> had been calm. It was just an awful situation, but she's going to be all
> right and so is the dog.
> Cindy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby Phillips
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:11 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users;
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Debby Phillips
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fw: [nfbmi-talk] Guide Dog & Blind Person Struck
> 
> Well, remember Danielle, her dog was also hurt and needed medical attention
> as well.  I'm just sorry that there weren't better communications, but am
> sure things are working out okay.  Figo 
> needs to heal, as well.    Debby and Nova
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 11:56:43 +0000
> From: Deanna Lewis <DLewis at clovernook.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Forming a GDB alumni chapter in Massachusetts
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> Minh,
> I think is a great idea! I am President of the GDB Alumni Chapter for Ohio,
> Kentucky, and Indiana and we have a great group of people. We meet once a
> month via conference call, and try to meet in person at least once per year.
> If you need any tips or pointers, please let me know. You can reach me
> off-list at: Deannakay03 at gmail.com Wishing you the best with this endeavor!
> Deanna and Mambo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:44 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: minh ha
> Subject: [nagdu] Forming a GDB alumni chapter in Massachusetts
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I hope this message is not off topic and is appropriate and relevant to the
> list. I, along with a few other GDB graduates are forming an alumni chapter
> here in Massachusetts. If you are a GDB grad living in Massachusetts, I
> would love for you to email me if you are interested in being a part of the
> group. You can also participate if you are interested in GDB in any way or
> have had a GDB guide and wish to stay connected or want to learn more about
> GDB and their guide dogs. We just want this group to be a fun way for
> handlers to connect and have a good time socializing with one another.
> Please feel free to pass my message along to anyone you know living in
> Massachusetts that would benefit from this. I can be reached at
> minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> 
> Thanks,
> Minh
> 
> --
> Minh Ha
> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their
> dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
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