[nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections
Julie J.
julielj at neb.rr.com
Wed Jun 24 12:28:37 UTC 2015
Kerri,
I have two types of recalls, a casual come closer to me and a more formal
come here right now. The formal come here right now, I use the dog's name
plus the word come. For the more casual recall I use a whistle, just with
my lips. Sometimes this is prefaced with a particular dog's name and
sometimes I use puppies to mean I want both of them. I find whistling is
more consistently happy for me. It's frustrating when they bark at the
mailman and no matter how much I try to use the happy voice, my annoyance
comes through.
I do also use a metal whistle for long distance recall when Monty is free
running. I don't have a loud voice and the whistle carries much better.
Jetta doesn't get to free run like Monty so I haven't trained her to come to
the mechanical whistle. I did use it at first in the house to train Monty
to come to it, but it is way too loud for me to be using in the house
regularly. Some people do, but my budget for Tylenol isn't up to it.
*smile*
I use the formal come when I want to interact with the dog in some way, like
putting on a leash, or it is imperative that the dog comes right now, do not
pass go do not collect $200. The more casual recall I use in the cases
where I only want the dog to leave off what they are doing or move away from
where they are. When I use the casual recall the dogs will come near me,
but may not be within reach. It has helped that Monty is a rock star at
recall and Jetta picks up things from him very quickly and easily. She
learned barking from him too, lest anyone think Monty has been a rock star
doggie mentor! *smile*
I am on day two of using the tie down with Jetta for her barking and
exuberant play with Monty. It's working extremely well. So far I've only
used it twice both for just 5 to 10 minutes. It enhances her calm
dramatically, even long after I let her loose again. I use it rather like a
time out for a little kid. I do not reprimand or in any way scold her. I
just clip her to the tether, give her a couple of gentle pats, make sure she
has a toy within reach and walk away. She then gets the opportunity to calm
down from whatever has gotten her wound up. I think with consistent use,
she'll learn that calm polite behavior means freedom and wild beastly
behavior means no freedom. She's a smart girl.
Julie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kerri Stovall via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:55 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Kerri Stovall
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections
Hey there, Raven,
Thank you for your reply. Although I do use a happy-go-lucky tone of voice
when I call her to me, like you mentioned, it may be my body language or my
facial expression. So, I will start trying to use the sound cues instead of
my Voice, and I like the fact that that sound stays the same no matter what
my mood is. Thank you very much.
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> On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Dogs don't just intuitively know that they're in trouble. They are
> able to assess this by your tone of voice and your body language. That
> is what dogs rely on most, probably more than words themselves.
> Part of getting your dog to come to you reliably is using a consistent
> command. By consistent, I mean consistent in pitch, tone, and the word
> used. So if you train your dog to come to you with a higher pitch and
> delighted tone of voice, which most people do and should, then of
> course, your dog will respond to that. However, when you have a
> scolding tone and a lower pitch, indicating anger, danger, threat, and
> a sense of urgency, then you are warding your dog off. That word
> doesn't mean the same thing in a different tone of voice.
> I'm not saying you shouldn't be firm with your dog. Some dogs need a
> firm tone of voice to understand you mean business. But being firm and
> being threatening are two different things. And you have to establish
> that difference with your dog. A dog will come to know the difference
> according to what usually happens in association with your particular
> tone of voice at the time.
> I know it is hard to be cool and calm when your dog is getting on your
> nerves or being naughty, but you don't want to alarm your dog or send
> them the message that punishment is coming, or something rewarding is
> being removed. That is a reason to play keep away, and doesn't
> motivate your dog to come running to you when you call.
> And I shouldn't have to say this, but never yell at your dog. It
> happens to all of us, we get mad because they've done something dumb
> or annoying, and we yell. Okay. But don't make a habit out of it. Dogs
> usually respond to yelling by keeping away from you. It raises the
> sense of alarm, panic, and excitement, so it doesn't compel your dog
> to listen to anything your saying. In my experience, dogs are more
> receptive to a quieter voice, whether you choose to be gentle or firm.
> Another thing you can do is use sound cues instead of verbal cues.
> This means that rather than using your voice which changes with your
> mood, use some sound, the clicker, snapping your fingers, clicking
> your tongue, whistling, ringing a bell, whatever. Preferably, a sound
> that isn't super common. A former friend of mine uses the clicker to
> call her dog. She just clicks it 3 times in rapid succession, and her
> dog returns to her.
> I've taught many dog owners the trick of the sound cue because it is
> far more reliable and consistent than your voice. The dog will only
> associate rewards with that sound, and so they will have a better
> response to it.
> I personally snap my fingers twice, and the Golden Guy comes running.
> I trained him to obey this sound cue from the 1st day I got him. In my
> dorm at GEB, I would just snap twice if he walked into the bathroom or
> sniffed around the garbage. This sound was distinct enough to get his
> attention, and when he paid attention, I rewarded him with treats.
> My father used the double snap with my siblings and I as children, and
> it still works. It is a simple sound that no one questions. It means,
> "let's go," and when you here it, you go. The same works for my dog:
> he hears me snap twice, and he comes. Sometimes, I might have to do it
> 2 or 3 times, but it works 9 times out of 10.
>
> Your body is also more tense when you are angry, obviously. Dogs see
> that. They also check out your facial expression, the position of your
> hands, and your posture. Are you leaning forward? Crouching? Standing
> straight? Are your hands at your sides? Outstretched with palms
> upward? Outstretched with palms facing downward? Are you gritting your
> teeth? Are you showing teeth? Are your lips quivering? All of those
> things matter, and as your dog gets to know you, they know what your
> body language is according to your mood. Be conscientious of that.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
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>
>> On 6/23/15, Applebutter Hill via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kerri,
>> Go back on leash. Coming to you isn't optional.
>> Donna & Hunter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Stovall
>> via
>> nagdu
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 12:11 PM
>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>> Cc: Kerri Stovall
>> Subject: [nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As most of you may know, my husband and I both received poodles from
>> Pilot
>> Dogs back in April. We have just begun to let them off leash in the house
>> as
>> of a couple weeks ago, and I do know that this is just the beginning of
>> their learning process for house manners. So, my question is this. How
>> can
>> we keep them from running from us when they know we are unhappy with
>> their
>> behavior. Here's a little of an idea of what's happening. As I now
>> understand more fully, poodles are barkers, and they will bark at
>> anything
>> they hear or see that they are interested in, so pulling shades down
>> doesn't
>> work because the shades are already down, but they bark mostly at audible
>> noises, like the air conditioning unit rattling or something like that.
>> It's
>> not every minute or anything like that, but it's often enough and they
>> keep
>> it up long enough to get to interfering with things. So when we tell them
>> quiet several times and it doesn't work, then we will try calling them to
>> us, but of course they know they are not behaving so they run the
>> opposite
>> way, even if the word no is used for other things than barking, any kind
>> of
>> misbehaving they will run away from us when we want to call them to us to
>> distract them. They also will try to play with us by jumping around just
>> out
>> of reach, when they know we are unhappy with them. So I'm wondering, is
>> it
>> time to go back on leash for a while? I want to be able to do instant
>> corrections or whatever else I can do with my dog, and I'm not sure if
>> Lee
>> will be up for it, but I hope so, so that he can get a handle on it. They
>> are stellar dogs when they're apart, but when together their come command
>> needs a lot of work because alb they want to do is play. lol. Now my
>> dog,
>> she will still run away from me even when Lee isn't home or when his dog
>> is
>> elsewhere in the house, if she knows that I'm about to get onto her for
>> something. I never correct her for coming to me though, I make sure the
>> come
>> command is always rewarded instead of corrected. But I just want her to
>> come
>> to me so that I can distract her from whatever she's doing wrong. Any
>> help
>> would be great. Thank you to all.
>> Kerri and Sadie
>>
>>
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