[nagdu] Defiant poodles running away from corrections
melissa R green
graduate56 at juno.com
Wed Jun 24 16:36:33 UTC 2015
I use the tie down as a form
of time out as well. it works
well for my girl. Jetta
sounds a lot like Pj. When I
was living with my friend who
has a dog, he didn't like it
that she would get into
trouble. So he would put his
head on my lap and sigh and
make all kinds of noises
trying to get me to let her go
free. Lol! It is funny and
adorable.
Have a blessed day.
Best regards,
Melissa R Green and Pj
Love is being committed with
out a guarantee.
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Kerri,
I have two types of recalls, a
casual come closer to me and a
more formal
come here right now. The
formal come here right now, I
use the dog's name
plus the word come. For the
more casual recall I use a
whistle, just with my lips.
Sometimes this is prefaced
with a particular dog's name
and sometimes I use puppies to
mean I want both of them. I
find whistling is more
consistently happy for me.
It's frustrating when they
bark at the mailman and no
matter how much I try to use
the happy voice, my annoyance
comes through.
I do also use a metal whistle
for long distance recall when
Monty is free running. I
don't have a loud voice and
the whistle carries much
better.
Jetta doesn't get to free run
like Monty so I haven't
trained her to come to the
mechanical whistle. I did use
it at first in the house to
train Monty to come to it, but
it is way too loud for me to
be using in the house
regularly. Some people do,
but my budget for Tylenol
isn't up to it.
*smile*
I use the formal come when I
want to interact with the dog
in some way, like putting on a
leash, or it is imperative
that the dog comes right now,
do not
pass go do not collect $200.
The more casual recall I use
in the cases
where I only want the dog to
leave off what they are doing
or move away from where they
are. When I use the casual
recall the dogs will come near
me,
but may not be within reach.
It has helped that Monty is a
rock star at
recall and Jetta picks up
things from him very quickly
and easily. She learned
barking from him too, lest
anyone think Monty has been a
rock star doggie mentor!
*smile*
I am on day two of using the
tie down with Jetta for her
barking and
exuberant play with Monty.
It's working extremely well.
So far I've only
used it twice both for just 5
to 10 minutes. It enhances
her calm dramatically, even
long after I let her loose
again. I use it rather like a
time out for a little kid. I
do not reprimand or in any way
scold her. I just clip her to
the tether, give her a couple
of gentle pats, make sure she
has a toy within reach and
walk away. She then gets the
opportunity to calm down from
whatever has gotten her wound
up. I think with consistent
use, she'll learn that calm
polite behavior means freedom
and wild beastly behavior
means no freedom. She's a
smart girl.
Julie
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From: Kerri Stovall via nagdu
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Defiant
poodles running away from
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Hey there, Raven,
Thank you for your reply.
Although I do use a
happy-go-lucky tone of voice
when I call her to me, like
you mentioned, it may be my
body language or my facial
expression. So, I will start
trying to use the sound cues
instead of my Voice, and I
like the fact that that sound
stays the same no matter what
my mood is. Thank you very
much.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 9:47 PM,
Raven Tolliver via nagdu
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Dogs don't just intuitively
know that they're in trouble.
They are
> able to assess this by your
tone of voice and your body
language. That
> is what dogs rely on most,
probably more than words
themselves.
> Part of getting your dog to
come to you reliably is using
a consistent
> command. By consistent, I
mean consistent in pitch,
tone, and the word
> used. So if you train your
dog to come to you with a
higher pitch and
> delighted tone of voice,
which most people do and
should, then of
> course, your dog will
respond to that. However, when
you have a
> scolding tone and a lower
pitch, indicating anger,
danger, threat, and
> a sense of urgency, then you
are warding your dog off. That
word
> doesn't mean the same thing
in a different tone of voice.
> I'm not saying you shouldn't
be firm with your dog. Some
dogs need a
> firm tone of voice to
understand you mean business.
But being firm and
> being threatening are two
different things. And you have
to establish
> that difference with your
dog. A dog will come to know
the difference
> according to what usually
happens in association with
your particular
> tone of voice at the time.
> I know it is hard to be cool
and calm when your dog is
getting on your
> nerves or being naughty, but
you don't want to alarm your
dog or send
> them the message that
punishment is coming, or
something rewarding is
> being removed. That is a
reason to play keep away, and
doesn't
> motivate your dog to come
running to you when you call.
> And I shouldn't have to say
this, but never yell at your
dog. It
> happens to all of us, we get
mad because they've done
something dumb
> or annoying, and we yell.
Okay. But don't make a habit
out of it. Dogs
> usually respond to yelling
by keeping away from you. It
raises the
> sense of alarm, panic, and
excitement, so it doesn't
compel your dog
> to listen to anything your
saying. In my experience, dogs
are more
> receptive to a quieter
voice, whether you choose to
be gentle or firm.
> Another thing you can do is
use sound cues instead of
verbal cues.
> This means that rather than
using your voice which changes
with your
> mood, use some sound, the
clicker, snapping your
fingers, clicking
> your tongue, whistling,
ringing a bell, whatever.
Preferably, a sound
> that isn't super common. A
former friend of mine uses the
clicker to
> call her dog. She just
clicks it 3 times in rapid
succession, and her
> dog returns to her.
> I've taught many dog owners
the trick of the sound cue
because it is
> far more reliable and
consistent than your voice.
The dog will only
> associate rewards with that
sound, and so they will have a
better
> response to it.
> I personally snap my fingers
twice, and the Golden Guy
comes running.
> I trained him to obey this
sound cue from the 1st day I
got him. In my
> dorm at GEB, I would just
snap twice if he walked into
the bathroom or
> sniffed around the garbage.
This sound was distinct enough
to get his
> attention, and when he paid
attention, I rewarded him with
treats.
> My father used the double
snap with my siblings and I as
children, and
> it still works. It is a
simple sound that no one
questions. It means,
> "let's go," and when you
here it, you go. The same
works for my dog:
> he hears me snap twice, and
he comes. Sometimes, I might
have to do it
> 2 or 3 times, but it works 9
times out of 10.
>
> Your body is also more tense
when you are angry, obviously.
Dogs see
> that. They also check out
your facial expression, the
position of your
> hands, and your posture. Are
you leaning forward?
Crouching? Standing
> straight? Are your hands at
your sides? Outstretched with
palms
> upward? Outstretched with
palms facing downward? Are you
gritting your
> teeth? Are you showing
teeth? Are your lips
quivering? All of those
> things matter, and as your
dog gets to know you, they
know what your
> body language is according
to your mood. Be conscientious
of that.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing &
Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of
your potential, not because of
what you
> have or what you do.
>
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>> On 6/23/15, Applebutter
Hill via nagdu
<nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kerri,
>> Go back on leash. Coming to
you isn't optional.
>> Donna & Hunter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23,
2015 12:11 PM
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>> Cc: Kerri Stovall
>> Subject: [nagdu] Defiant
poodles running away from
corrections
>>
>> Hi all,
>> As most of you may know, my
husband and I both received
poodles from
>> Pilot Dogs back in April.
We have just begun to let them
off leash in
>> the house as of a couple
weeks ago, and I do know that
this is just
>> the beginning of their
learning process for house
manners. So, my
>> question is this. How can
we keep them from running from
us when they
>> know we are unhappy with
their behavior. Here's a
little of an idea
>> of what's happening. As I
now understand more fully,
poodles are
>> barkers, and they will bark
at anything they hear or see
that they
>> are interested in, so
pulling shades down doesn't
work because the
>> shades are already down,
but they bark mostly at
audible noises, like
>> the air conditioning unit
rattling or something like
that.
>> It's
>> not every minute or
anything like that, but it's
often enough and
>> they keep it up long enough
to get to interfering with
things. So
>> when we tell them quiet
several times and it doesn't
work, then we
>> will try calling them to
us, but of course they know
they are not
>> behaving so they run the
opposite way, even if the word
no is used
>> for other things than
barking, any kind of
misbehaving they will run
>> away from us when we want
to call them to us to distract
them. They
>> also will try to play with
us by jumping around just out
of reach,
>> when they know we are
unhappy with them. So I'm
wondering, is it time
>> to go back on leash for a
while? I want to be able to do
instant
>> corrections or whatever
else I can do with my dog, and
I'm not sure
>> if Lee will be up for it,
but I hope so, so that he can
get a handle
>> on it. They are stellar
dogs when they're apart, but
when together
>> their come command needs a
lot of work because alb they
want to do is
>> play. lol. Now my dog, she
will still run away from me
even when Lee
>> isn't home or when his dog
is elsewhere in the house, if
she knows
>> that I'm about to get onto
her for something. I never
correct her for
>> coming to me though, I make
sure the come command is
always rewarded
>> instead of corrected. But I
just want her to come to me so
that I can
>> distract her from whatever
she's doing wrong. Any help
would be
>> great. Thank you to all.
>> Kerri and Sadie
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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