[nagdu] Guide Dog School

Wed Mar 11 10:36:00 UTC 2015

That is correct.  Essentially, a one year probation period before ownership
is granted.

Steve

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:59 PM
To: Marion Gwizdala; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School

I will be visiting Leader Dogs on Friday and will ask what their current
policy on ownership is and report back to everyone.  I believe it is after
one year but I want to make sure I provide the most current information.

On 3/10/15, Marion Gwizdala via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Nimer,
>
> 	This is a good summary! I am happy to see you doing your homework!
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber 
> via nagdu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:04 PM
> To: milissa61; 'Debby Phillips'; 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National 
> Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for your responses about the various guide schools.  I am in 
> agreement with Marion on his points...I don't like a school that will 
> retain ownership for any amount of time.  I don't like a school that 
> mandates weight requirements, and I certainly don't like a school that 
> attempts to force grads to send medical info.  This is just like going 
> out and buying a car and having the dealership tell you that they wish 
> to see a log of all the places you go with that car.  This isn't 
> something I'm willing to accept.  As it stands, it seems that most 
> schools retain ownership.  There seems to be only a couple of schools 
> that purport to hand over ownership to their grads.  It's a shame that 
> things are going down the way they are with TSE as I support their 
> model the most and would love to pay for my dog.
> Looks like I'll be checking out GDF and GDA as they seem to be the 
> ones that hand ownership.  I have heard and seen too many cases of 
> pretty bad training with Pilot...and I don't like where they get their 
> dogs from, either.
> Southeastern seems to have a forced retirement age that is 
> in-congruent with providing ownership.  If anyone has anything 
> additional to add about this, please let me know.  I wish that more 
> schools would provide ownership and would stop treating blind people 
> with such disrespect, but I suppose I can continue dreaming...
>
> Thanks all for all of your advice on this topic.
>
> On 09-Mar-15 10:29, milissa61 wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> All my dogs have been from Guiding Eyes. They are a great school and 
>> the director of training is phenomenal. When you get a dog from 
>> Guiding Eyes, GEB owns the dog for the first two years. After that, 
>> you are able to apply for ownership provided your dog is in good 
>> health. GEB is very strict about making sure their dogs are not over 
>> weight. I like GEB's ownership policy because if anything goes wrong, 
>> (like the dog is being abused) GEB can step in and take the dog. They 
>> are not in the practice of taking people's dogs away. If something is 
>> wrong, they really go out of their way to help you straighten things 
>> out. But, I am glad it's an option. I've seen way to many dogs from 
>> schools that give ownership right away not be able to do anything if 
>> a dog is not being treated well or if the dog is overweight. Let me 
>> know if
> you have any other questions about GEB.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> Milissa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby 
>> Phillips via nagdu
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 11:27 AM
>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com; semisweetdebby at gmail.com; nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog School
>>
>> You might want to look at Guiding EYES.  They produce some great 
>> dogs, the training is very good, I'm told, (the Director of training 
>> was my first instructor at Seeing Eye).  I'm not sure what their 
>> ownership policy is.  I almost applied there before I got Neena, but 
>> at the last moment, I just couldn't make the change.  I've been 
>> getting dogs from TSE since 1981.  I have concerns too about some of 
>> the direction then are going, and concerns about their ability to do 
>> good follow up.  But for me, I just couldn't make the change.  Neena 
>> is a great dog, and I love how she works.  We will see, in the future, if
I need follow-up
>> if it will happen or not.  Good luck with your search.    Peace,
>> Debby with Neena
>>
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