[nagdu] GDF Update

Fri Mar 13 16:06:53 UTC 2015

	I love the Wiki idea. There is a reason Wikipedia is so popular,
anybody can update, bad info can be deleted, and it can be kept current.
People just have to care enough about it to do it and I think with this
crowd, many people will. 

There is no authority that needs to give the go-ahead on starting a Wiki, so
anybody that wants to can do it today if they'd like. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:04 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF Update

It's my understanding that a Wiki can be easily updated by a variety of
people, so it's easier to keep up-to-date than a website.  People may update
it with bad info, but then someone else can fix the bad info.  That's my
understanding, anyway.
I think it could be a good thing.  I'd like to see ownership policy, breeds
used, length of class, students per trainer, and kind of follow-up--only
phone, phone or in-person. And when the info ws last updated.
Tracy

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:52 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF Update

The problem with this idea is that someone has to keep this page up-to-date
on an annually or semiannually basis. There is already a guide dog school
survey that provides all sorts of information about the various programs
throughout the US. The problem with that is that it was taken in 2006, and
no one has cared to update it. There are more guide dog schools on the
scene, and some guide dog schools have changed drastically since 2006.
I think there should be an up-to-date webpage listing all the guide dog
schools with all their contact information, as well as what areas/countries
they accept students from. Other than that, guide dog schools should keep
their own websites updated, and prospective students should bare the
responsibility of figuring which program, if any, are a best fit for their
needs.
--
Raven
You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you have or
what you do.

Naturally-reared guide dogs
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On 3/13/15, Marilyn tucci via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> All my dogs have come from GDF. I have had ownership right after 
> graduation. The trainer usually asks what you want. I don't know is 
> things have changed there as I have Anna 6 years come this May but I 
> have friends who just graduated so I will ask them.
> Marilyn and Anna
>
>
>  On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:22 AM, melissa R green via nagdu wrote:
>
>  > I had the same experience with GDF in 2011.  I wonder if things 
> have changed
>> at gdf?
>> Blessings,
>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>> "Listen to God with a broken heart. He is not only the doctor who 
>> mends it, but also the father who wipes away the tears."
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon 
>> Dyer via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 8:50 AM
>> To: Danielle Sykora; NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of 
>> Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDF Update
>>
>> I am also a GDF graduate. When I got my dog in 2012, the instructors 
>> talked about both ownership and custody. People then chose which one 
>> they wanted.
>> As far as I know, everyone who requested ownership received it.
>>
>> Shannon and the Acelet
>> On Mar 11, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Danielle Sykora via nagdu wrote:
>>
>>> I am also a graduate of GDF. I remember the ownership and custody 
>>> policies being read and then each student choosing which one he or 
>>> she would prefer. Beyond that, it really wasn't an issue. Some 
>>> people didn't seem to care whether they had ownership or not while 
>>> others did.
>>>
>>> Danielle and Thai
>>>
>>> On 3/11/15, Marsha Drenth via nagdu  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am a GDF grad, and although the ownership is important. I am not 
>>>> sure if this what truely happens all of the time. For example, when 
>>>> I was in class, the subject of ownership came up, I was very clear 
>>>> about my
>> intentions.
>>>> Others in my class, didn't care, so ownership was not granted right 
>>>> away. I don't think that GDF would hold it against anyone not to 
>>>> grant ownership. I would hope that if a trainer, saw some issues 
>>>> while in training, that instead of granting or not granting 
>>>> wondership, they would recommend more training. I can honestly say, 
>>>> that I have NEVER heard of anyone receiving a guide or service 
>>>> animal
>> from GDF without owndership that did not want it.
>>>>
>>>> When you were asking for information about different schools, I am 
>>>> not sure you received as much about GDF as you should have. I am a 
>>>> former grad from TSE, and although they are a good school, I could 
>>>> not go back for a number of reasons. I am not bashing one school 
>>>> over another. But like I said, you could be getting way way more 
>>>> information about a school, then just from this list. I know, I 
>>>> know, I know, the moderator *gasp* saying this. But its true.
>>>> Jenine Stanley from GDF is on this list, if you wouuld like further 
>>>> information. I don't know who you spoke to at GDF, but like I said, 
>>>> if you want ownership, and you fulfill the requirements of the 
>>>> training program, then you will receive ownership. If you received 
>>>> a
>> guide from TSE, then I am sure you will. Its nothing to be worried 
>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents, back to my moderator rock. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> email: marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>> Please note that this email communication has been sent using my 
>>>> iPhone. As such, I may have used dictation and had made attempts to
>> mitigate errors.
>>>> Please do not be hesitant to ask for clarification as necessary.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 11, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Nimer Jaber via nagdu
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> After contacting GDF, I have found out that ownership is not 
>>>>> granted in all cases...it is up to the instructor to work with the 
>>>>> student and decide after the end of the training whether they are 
>>>>> providing custody or ownership.  I don't know what tools or 
>>>>> measures they utilize for making that determination, but there you 
>>>>> have it for anybody else that goes down this road after me.  I'm 
>>>>> wondering whether I should put up something like a Wiki page that 
>>>>> will compare the various school policies...this type of thing 
>>>>> would allow the community to propose updates to it and it would 
>>>>> try to avoid stagnancy...I'll need to consider this a bit to 
>>>>> figure out the best avenue for going about this, but what I'm 
>>>>> realizing is that there isn't a truly easy way to compare the 
>>>>> various school policies that is
>> not out of date.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
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