[nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop

Wed Mar 25 18:08:06 UTC 2015

Hello tracy and all,
thank you very much for great explanation.
I forgot to mention two quite important things:
1. I have mild cerebral palsy which is the cause of my balance issues, 
so picking up might be little difficult, but I am not saying it is not 
doable, I've just neverdid had a chance to try because I was not taught 
how to do that.
2. My current dog is trained to go and relieve off-leash, so I do not 
think it is possible to pick up after her that way.
Many guide dogs here are trained to relieve off-leash because trainers 
said we are exempted from picking up.
My current guide dog is my first, so I did not know what to expect in 
sense of not picking up and people being disappointed about it, so it 
did not come on my mind to ask the trainer to train her relieving on 
leash because I was told I did not have to pick up and all was fine the 
way it was at that time.
Have a nice day.
With kind regards
Maria
On 25. 3. 2015 18:39, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> Hi Maria.
> Blind people have been teaching each other how to pick up after their 
> dogs for years, so I'll have a go at explaining to you how it's done.
> Get a plastic bag big enough to fit comfortably over your whole hand.  
> I like sandwich bags; others use grocery bags, and others buy special 
> poop bags.
> Keep the dog on a short enough leash so you can tell what it's doing.  
> Most dogs do a bit of a dance before pooping.  Some go in little 
> circles, and others wiggle their butts a bit.  When the dog stops 
> moving, check her back. If she's pooping, her back will have a 
> definite arch down.  Remember where her butt is, or point your foot at 
> it.
> When she's done and moves away, put your hand into your bag and reach 
> down and feel around for the pile.  Scoop it into your hand and turn 
> the bag inside out, so now the poop is on the inside and your hand is 
> on the outside.  You can practice this beforehand by picking up 
> something with the bag, like an apple, for example.
> And there you are, all picked up, no mess on you or the ground.
> Hope I explained this well.
> Tracy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:25 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>
>
>>     Hello list,
>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up 
>> after our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other 
>> disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very 
>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis 
>> a few years ago. There was not a single word written about blind 
>> people and people with other disabilities being exempted from picking 
>> up.
>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but 
>> each city/town/village might have it different.
>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I  must pick 
>> up after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were 
>> exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to 
>> provide me some documents regarding that, they were unable to give me 
>> them because they did not have any oficial document of that kind , I 
>> did not find it even on my town website.
>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to 
>> pick up after my dog.
>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind 
>> friend and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to 
>> leave it on the grass. This happened many times.
>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my 
>> dog and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. 
>> Many people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am 
>> not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not 
>> trained using it.
>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you 
>> let your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving 
>> harness on your dog and let them do number two?
>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving 
>> harnes, so cannot imagine how it works.
>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there 
>> any disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>> With kind regards
>> Maria from Slovakia
>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while 
>>> pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>> try the following; first, don’t be afraid to feel your dog’s back.  
>>> this way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you will 
>>> have to pick up from the street.
>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary. like, off 
>>> the side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it the 
>>> same as curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the 
>>> boundary.
>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, 
>>> get a relieving harness but, it’s much more of a pain than just 
>>> picking up. thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  
>>> just practice and you will figure out the best way for you.
>>> hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Vivianna
>>>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My 
>>>> dad on
>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one 
>>>> and since
>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to use 
>>>> this
>>>> marvel.
>>>>
>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will 
>>>> ask for
>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this would be
>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to grads 
>>>> who need
>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one to 
>>>> stay
>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone 
>>>> tells me
>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>
>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>>
>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
>>>> Berkley via
>>>> nagdu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>> To: National Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>
>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the 
>>>> alley
>>>> behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and I give 
>>>> her area
>>>> to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I 
>>>> have been
>>>> missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), 
>>>> but they
>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it.  Does anyone have 
>>>> suggestions on how
>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her?  Thanks.
>>>> Elise and Becky
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