[nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop

Lisa dreamymarmot93 at yahoo.de
Wed Mar 25 18:20:37 UTC 2015 

Maria, very interesting how similar Germany's and Slovakia's guide dog 
systems work. I mentioned in my other e-mail that the dogs are trained to 
relieve off-leash or on a long-leash here, too. It's just very different 
from what they teach outside of Europe. But I don't know how it's done in 
the UK. But at least our two countries seem to be very similar regarding 
this topic.

Lisa




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop


> Hello tracy and all,
> thank you very much for great explanation.
> I forgot to mention two quite important things:
> 1. I have mild cerebral palsy which is the cause of my balance issues, so 
> picking up might be little difficult, but I am not saying it is not 
> doable, I've just neverdid had a chance to try because I was not taught 
> how to do that.
> 2. My current dog is trained to go and relieve off-leash, so I do not 
> think it is possible to pick up after her that way.
> Many guide dogs here are trained to relieve off-leash because trainers 
> said we are exempted from picking up.
> My current guide dog is my first, so I did not know what to expect in 
> sense of not picking up and people being disappointed about it, so it did 
> not come on my mind to ask the trainer to train her relieving on leash 
> because I was told I did not have to pick up and all was fine the way it 
> was at that time.
> Have a nice day.
> With kind regards
> Maria
> On 25. 3. 2015 18:39, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> Hi Maria.
>> Blind people have been teaching each other how to pick up after their 
>> dogs for years, so I'll have a go at explaining to you how it's done.
>> Get a plastic bag big enough to fit comfortably over your whole hand.  I 
>> like sandwich bags; others use grocery bags, and others buy special poop 
>> bags.
>> Keep the dog on a short enough leash so you can tell what it's doing. 
>> Most dogs do a bit of a dance before pooping.  Some go in little circles, 
>> and others wiggle their butts a bit.  When the dog stops moving, check 
>> her back. If she's pooping, her back will have a definite arch down. 
>> Remember where her butt is, or point your foot at it.
>> When she's done and moves away, put your hand into your bag and reach 
>> down and feel around for the pile.  Scoop it into your hand and turn the 
>> bag inside out, so now the poop is on the inside and your hand is on the 
>> outside.  You can practice this beforehand by picking up something with 
>> the bag, like an apple, for example.
>> And there you are, all picked up, no mess on you or the ground.
>> Hope I explained this well.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovčíková via nagdu" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Vivianna" <irishana at gmail.com>; "NAGDU Mailing List,the National 
>> Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:25 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Relieving harness question, was Re: Pickup The Poop
>>
>>
>>>     Hello list,
>>> I've been reading this topic with interest.
>>> The school I have my guide dog from do not teach us how to pick up after 
>>> our guide dogs. Trainers say blind people and people with other 
>>> disabilities  are exempted from picking up here in Slovakia.
>>> I have read the state law regarding guide and assistance dogs very 
>>> carefuly because I needed to have some knowledge when I did my thesis a 
>>> few years ago. There was not a single word written about blind people 
>>> and people with other disabilities being exempted from picking up.
>>> There might be some local laws or documents saying about that, but each 
>>> city/town/village might have it different.
>>> For example when I asked the police in my town whether I  must pick up 
>>> after my guide dog or not, they said people with disabilities were 
>>> exempted from picking up after their dogs. When I asked them to provide 
>>> me some documents regarding that, they were unable to give me them 
>>> because they did not have any oficial document of that kind , I did not 
>>> find it even on my town website.
>>> When I went to other city to see my friend, I was told that I had to 
>>> pick up after my dog.
>>> The problem is I was not taught how to pick up and I had a blind friend 
>>> and she could not help me with picking up as well, so I had to leave it 
>>> on the grass. This happened many times.
>>> I felt very embarrassed because I was not able to pick up after my dog 
>>> and people shauted at me quite often for leaving it on the grass. Many 
>>> people are quite upset about it which I understand perfectly.
>>> I know in this situation relieving harness might be of help, but I am 
>>> not sure if we have it here in Slovakia, so our guides are not trained 
>>> using it.
>>> Could you please explain how relieving harness works?
>>> Do you put it on your dog right after you take him/herout or do you let 
>>> your dog to go and do number one first and then put the relieving 
>>> harness on your dog and let them do number two?
>>> I hope I do not sound very silly, but I've never had relieving harnes, 
>>> so cannot imagine how it works.
>>> I know using relieving harness brings you advantages, but are there any 
>>> disadvantages using it? If so, what these disadvantages are?
>>> Thank you for your replies in advance.
>>> With kind regards
>>> Maria from Slovakia
>>> On 25. 3. 2015 14:25, Vivianna via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> i find that, if you relieve the dog where it does not move while 
>>>> pooping, you can pick it up much better.
>>>> try the following; first, don’t be afraid to feel your dog’s back. 
>>>> this way, you know where the poop is and, if the dog is even moving.
>>>> try curbing the dog.  this will stop them from moving but, you will 
>>>> have to pick up from the street.
>>>> relieve the dog somewhere else where there is a boundary. like, off the 
>>>> side of a sidewalk or driveway.  this way you can treat it the same as 
>>>> curbing the dog and, they will learn not to move past the boundary.
>>>> if you really have multiple disabilities and can not pick up then, get 
>>>> a relieving harness but, it’s much more of a pain than just picking up. 
>>>> thousands of us do it with no problems, you can too.  just practice and 
>>>> you will figure out the best way for you.
>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Vivianna
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Becky Frankeberger via nagdu 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone should have the relieving harness, it is you Elise. My dad 
>>>>> on
>>>>> dialysis would get dizzy for no reason. So please ask GDB for one and 
>>>>> since
>>>>> you are close to campus, they can come out and show you how to use 
>>>>> this
>>>>> marvel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know for a fact with my health taking a bit of a nose dive I will 
>>>>> ask for
>>>>> one next time. If someone knows where I can buy one now, this would be
>>>>> amazing help for me. I gather GDB has them and offers them to grads 
>>>>> who need
>>>>> it. Elise you need one. Those with second disabilities need one to 
>>>>> stay
>>>>> independent. Becky for sure needs one and will buy one if someone 
>>>>> tells me
>>>>> where I can get one.
>>>>>
>>>>> b.butterfly at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Becky and her Jake, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elise 
>>>>> Berkley via
>>>>> nagdu
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 8:53 PM
>>>>> To: National Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Pickup The Poop
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, everyone.  I have been taking Becky to relieve herself in the 
>>>>> alley
>>>>> behind my apartment building.  It is a rather large area and I give 
>>>>> her area
>>>>> to go.  They taught me how to pick up behind her, but I guess I have 
>>>>> been
>>>>> missing some of it.  Someone mentioned it to me (not a big deal), but 
>>>>> they
>>>>> did not want anyone else to mention it.  Does anyone have suggestions 
>>>>> on how
>>>>> to make sure I am picking up everything from her?  Thanks.
>>>>> Elise and Becky
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