[nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Nov 27 14:34:13 UTC 2015


I don't think that overlooking it is the issue. They see you are going to
run into something; they want to help you find your seat; the first thing
that comes to their mind is grabbing you. It is a stupid thing to do. It's
kind of like a little child coming up to your dog and starting to fool with
its tail. Often dogs do not like this and will snap. People don't see it as
the same thing as accosting you. They are convinced they are being helpful.
I think a person probably has to try to be polite, (I haven't always been),
but sometimes one more teaching moment is one too many. It honestly doesn't
make real sense to me that in this day of safety concerns someone would feel
it is OK to grab you. As for grabbing the dog's harness, that makes less
sense to me, and I like the steering wheel analogy. 
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet
via nagdu
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:19 AM
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Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people

It's worse and ups the ante for me when I know them! I won't have it!
They do know better! I wonder why it's okay and rather acceptable if you
have sight to reject this sort of behavior but if your blind your supposed
to be the good lil girl and overlook it?

On 11/27/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it 
> isn't a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always 
> marvel that people don't get that you would be offended by their 
> grabbing you or your harness. I do think I need to try to be a little 
> nice if it is someone I am seeing on a regular basis, though honestly 
> I can see that this would make you want to be less polite. What are 
> they thinking?
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
> Carcione via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> What
> reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted 
> stranger?
> A good, hard smack?  A yell for the police?  Why should I quietly 
> accept such rudeness?  Just because blind people have been taught all 
> our lives to accept people grabbing us?  I don't think so. I growled 
> at a waiter just this morning for grabbing me when I was walking 
> around the table to get to my seat.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so 
> more than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she 
> thought I was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I 
> was, I hope it was on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was 
> conscientiously using my cane.
> I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, 
> how does someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun 
> thing.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
> Carcione via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
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> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Cindy is much more restrained than I am.  I tend to slap at the 
> offending hand and tell them sharply to let go.  Such behavior is 
> completely unacceptable.  I tend to do the same when they grab me.  
> Just because I'm blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by
strangers.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
> Grider via nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
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> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>
> Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with 
> someone grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would 
> be beyond maddening...
>
> On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think 
>> the next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be
confusing!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray 
>> via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: Cindy Ray
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>>
>> Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just 
>> have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much 
>> though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> creatures of habit.
>> Cindy Lou Ray
>> cindyray at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven 
>> Tolliver via nagdu
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
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>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>>
>> I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the 
>> harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
>>
>> I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to 
>> college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time 
>> leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the 
>> curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much 
>> we are creatures of habit.
>> --
>> Raven
>> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
>> www.1am-editing.com
>>
>> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you 
>> have or what you do.
>>
>> Naturally-reared guide dogs
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>>
>> On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD 
>>> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
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