[nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people

Fri Nov 27 14:34:21 UTC 2015

It's pretty rare that anyone grabs me.  It does happen from time to time 
though.  I read a fascinating book many years ago about how airline flight 
attendants are taught to instruct passengers in case of emergency.  They 
practice it on each other and in simulations.  Basically it's brief, 
extremely to the point and given in a tone of command.  There is no "would 
you be so kind as to..." or "I'd appreciate it very much if you could..." 
It's just things like "stand up, walk to the exit".  So this is the strategy 
I've adopted.  I think it's still in the general realm of manners.  I'm not 
smacking them or anything, but I am very firm in what I expect them to do 
with their hands and right now.  So I might say, "let go." or "stop".  So 
far it has worked every time.  Once they've let  go of me, we can move on to 
a civil conversation or part company or however I want to proceed.

I do, just once, want to say really loudly, "unhand me you fiend" or "you 
can't touch me there for a dollar", but so far I've been too chicken.

Julie
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From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people

I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it isn't
a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always marvel that
people don't get that you would be offended by their grabbing you or your
harness. I do think I need to try to be a little nice if it is someone I am
seeing on a regular basis, though honestly I can see that this would make
you want to be less polite. What are they thinking?
Cindy Lou Ray

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I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.  What
reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted stranger?
A good, hard smack?  A yell for the police?  Why should I quietly accept
such rudeness?  Just because blind people have been taught all our lives to
accept people grabbing us?  I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get to
my seat.
Tracy

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Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so more
than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought I
was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it was
on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my cane.
I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how does
someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
Cindy Lou Ray
cindyray at gmail.com

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Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people

Cindy is much more restrained than I am.  I tend to slap at the offending
hand and tell them sharply to let go.  Such behavior is completely
unacceptable.  I tend to do the same when they grab me.  Just because I'm
blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
Tracy

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Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with someone
grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
maddening...

On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
>
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>
> Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
creatures of habit.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
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>
> I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
>
> I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> are creatures of habit.
> --
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> On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
>>
>>
>>
>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
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