[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 128, Issue 28
Mardi Hadfield
wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
Sat Nov 28 23:07:34 UTC 2015
Hello, and welcome Morgan. Mardi from Tucson Arizona Here. I am an owner
trainer and I use my dogs from a wheelchair.I am currently working
Neechee, my Siberian Husky guide and I am also training a new Dutch
Shepherd puppy to be my next guide.I hope you enjoy this list. I have
learned a lot of helpful things from the people here.Again, welcome to the
list and enjoy, Mardi and Shaman,retired and Neechee and Sedona,future
guide dog.
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> 1. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> (Tracy Carcione)
> 2. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people (Cindy Ray)
> 3. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> (Danielle Ledet)
> 4. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people (Cindy Ray)
> 5. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people (Julie J.)
> 6. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people (Sherry Gomes)
> 7. Re: Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> (Raven Tolliver)
> 8. Introduction (Morgan Leland)
> 9. Re: Introduction (Raven Tolliver)
> 10. Re: Introduction (Morgan Leland)
> 11. Re: Introduction (Becky Frankeberger)
> 12. Re: Introduction (Cindy Ray)
> 13. Re: Introduction (Elise Berkley)
> 14. Getting around on campus... (Morgan Leland)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:06:19 -0500
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> Message-ID: <001801d1291c$ca1964e0$5e4c2ea0$@access.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> What
> reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> stranger?
> A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives to
> accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get to
> my seat.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so more
> than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought I
> was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> was
> on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> cane.
> I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> does
> someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>
> Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> someone
> grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
> maddening...
>
> On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> > next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> > have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> > though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> creatures of habit.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> > Tolliver via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> > harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >
> > I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> > college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> > leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> > curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> > are creatures of habit.
> > --
> > Raven
> > Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> > www.1am-editing.com
> >
> > You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> > have or what you do.
> >
> > Naturally-reared guide dogs
> > https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >
> > On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:09:48 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> Message-ID: <000b01d1291d$47391a10$d5ab4e30$@gmail.com>
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>
> I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it isn't
> a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always marvel
> that
> people don't get that you would be offended by their grabbing you or your
> harness. I do think I need to try to be a little nice if it is someone I am
> seeing on a regular basis, though honestly I can see that this would make
> you want to be less polite. What are they thinking?
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> What
> reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> stranger?
> A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives to
> accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get to
> my seat.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so more
> than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought I
> was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> was
> on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> cane.
> I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> does
> someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>
> Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> someone
> grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
> maddening...
>
> On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> > next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> > have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> > though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> creatures of habit.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> > Tolliver via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> > harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >
> > I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> > college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> > leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> > curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> > are creatures of habit.
> > --
> > Raven
> > Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> > www.1am-editing.com
> >
> > You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> > have or what you do.
> >
> > Naturally-reared guide dogs
> > https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >
> > On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:18:45 -0600
> From: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
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> It's worse and ups the ante for me when I know them! I won't have it!
> They do know better! I wonder why it's okay and rather acceptable if
> you have sight to reject this sort of behavior but if your blind your
> supposed to be the good lil girl and overlook it?
>
> On 11/27/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it
> isn't
> > a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always marvel
> > that
> > people don't get that you would be offended by their grabbing you or your
> > harness. I do think I need to try to be a little nice if it is someone I
> am
> > seeing on a regular basis, though honestly I can see that this would make
> > you want to be less polite. What are they thinking?
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> > What
> > reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> > stranger?
> > A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> > such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives
> to
> > accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> > this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get
> to
> > my seat.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> > nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so
> more
> > than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought
> I
> > was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> > was
> > on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> > cane.
> > I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> > does
> > someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> > hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> > unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> > blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> > via
> > nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Rachel Grider
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> > someone
> > grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
> > maddening...
> >
> > On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> >> next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> >> via nagdu
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Cc: Cindy Ray
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >>
> >> Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> >> have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> >> though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> > creatures of habit.
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> >> Tolliver via nagdu
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >>
> >> I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> >> harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >>
> >> I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> >> college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> >> leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> >> curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> >> are creatures of habit.
> >> --
> >> Raven
> >> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> >> www.1am-editing.com
> >>
> >> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> >> have or what you do.
> >>
> >> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> >> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >>
> >> On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >>> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:34:13 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> Message-ID: <001b01d12920$b021c330$10654990$@gmail.com>
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>
> I don't think that overlooking it is the issue. They see you are going to
> run into something; they want to help you find your seat; the first thing
> that comes to their mind is grabbing you. It is a stupid thing to do. It's
> kind of like a little child coming up to your dog and starting to fool with
> its tail. Often dogs do not like this and will snap. People don't see it as
> the same thing as accosting you. They are convinced they are being helpful.
> I think a person probably has to try to be polite, (I haven't always been),
> but sometimes one more teaching moment is one too many. It honestly doesn't
> make real sense to me that in this day of safety concerns someone would
> feel
> it is OK to grab you. As for grabbing the dog's harness, that makes less
> sense to me, and I like the steering wheel analogy.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle Ledet
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:19 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> It's worse and ups the ante for me when I know them! I won't have it!
> They do know better! I wonder why it's okay and rather acceptable if you
> have sight to reject this sort of behavior but if your blind your supposed
> to be the good lil girl and overlook it?
>
> On 11/27/15, Cindy Ray via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it
> > isn't a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always
> > marvel that people don't get that you would be offended by their
> > grabbing you or your harness. I do think I need to try to be a little
> > nice if it is someone I am seeing on a regular basis, though honestly
> > I can see that this would make you want to be less polite. What are
> > they thinking?
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> > Carcione via nagdu
> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> > What
> > reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> > stranger?
> > A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly
> > accept such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all
> > our lives to accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled
> > at a waiter just this morning for grabbing me when I was walking
> > around the table to get to my seat.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so
> > more than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she
> > thought I was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I
> > was, I hope it was on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was
> > conscientiously using my cane.
> > I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really,
> > how does someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun
> > thing.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> > Carcione via nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the
> > offending hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is
> > completely unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me.
> > Just because I'm blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by
> strangers.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel
> > Grider via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Cc: Rachel Grider
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> > someone grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would
> > be beyond maddening...
> >
> > On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think
> >> the next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be
> confusing!
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> >> via nagdu
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Cc: Cindy Ray
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >>
> >> Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> >> have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> >> though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> > creatures of habit.
> >> Cindy Lou Ray
> >> cindyray at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> >> Tolliver via nagdu
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >>
> >> I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> >> harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >>
> >> I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> >> college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> >> leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> >> curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much
> >> we are creatures of habit.
> >> --
> >> Raven
> >> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> >> www.1am-editing.com
> >>
> >> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> >> have or what you do.
> >>
> >> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> >> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >>
> >> On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >>> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:34:21 -0600
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
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> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> It's pretty rare that anyone grabs me. It does happen from time to time
> though. I read a fascinating book many years ago about how airline flight
> attendants are taught to instruct passengers in case of emergency. They
> practice it on each other and in simulations. Basically it's brief,
> extremely to the point and given in a tone of command. There is no "would
> you be so kind as to..." or "I'd appreciate it very much if you could..."
> It's just things like "stand up, walk to the exit". So this is the
> strategy
> I've adopted. I think it's still in the general realm of manners. I'm not
> smacking them or anything, but I am very firm in what I expect them to do
> with their hands and right now. So I might say, "let go." or "stop". So
> far it has worked every time. Once they've let go of me, we can move on
> to
> a civil conversation or part company or however I want to proceed.
>
> I do, just once, want to say really loudly, "unhand me you fiend" or "you
> can't touch me there for a dollar", but so far I've been too chicken.
>
> Julie
> Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
> available! Get the book here:
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:09 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it isn't
> a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always marvel
> that
> people don't get that you would be offended by their grabbing you or your
> harness. I do think I need to try to be a little nice if it is someone I am
> seeing on a regular basis, though honestly I can see that this would make
> you want to be less polite. What are they thinking?
> Cindy Lou Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> What
> reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> stranger?
> A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives to
> accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get to
> my seat.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so more
> than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought I
> was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> was
> on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> cane.
> I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> does
> someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>
> Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> someone
> grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
> maddening...
>
> On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> > next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> > have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> > though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> creatures of habit.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> > Tolliver via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> > harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >
> > I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> > college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> > leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> > curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> > are creatures of habit.
> > --
> > Raven
> > Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> > www.1am-editing.com
> >
> > You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> > have or what you do.
> >
> > Naturally-reared guide dogs
> > https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >
> > On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:14:41 -0700
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
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> I'm not very polite about it either. I agree. A sighted person wouldn't
> tolerate a stranger just grabbing them, why should I? I'm a single woman,
> and strangers grabbing me out of the blue does not equal safety necessarily
> to me. I usually start with a sharp firm, let go of me now!
>
> Sherry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 7:06 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> What
> reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> stranger?
> A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives to
> accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get to
> my seat.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Cindy Ray
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so more
> than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought I
> was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> was
> on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> cane.
> I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> does
> someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> via nagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
>
> Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Grider
> via
> nagdu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:55 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Rachel Grider
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
>
> Changing the subject a bit: What is the appropriate way to deal with
> someone
> grabbing your dog's harness to lead you somewhere? That would be beyond
> maddening...
>
> On 11/25/15, larry d keeler via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > The shocker would have been if the cane took it! Actually, I think the
> > next guide dog I get should be named, Cane! Wouldn't that be confusing!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:37 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, Raven, you acgtually were going to give it a treat? LOL. I just
> > have told mine "hup up" or "forward." I didn't give treats much
> > though, so I guess I wouldn't have. That is funny, and we truly are
> creatures of habit.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
> > Tolliver via nagdu
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:51 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Humor for blind people
> >
> > I haven't had anyone grab the Halti strap, but when someone grabs the
> > harness handle, it is extremely off putting.
> >
> > I've done something similar to talking to my cane. After returning to
> > college, I was coming back from class, and It had been my first time
> > leaving my dog behind. As I was crossing the street, I stopped at the
> > curb and attempted to give a treat to my cane. Fascinating how much we
> > are creatures of habit.
> > --
> > Raven
> > Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> > www.1am-editing.com
> >
> > You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> > have or what you do.
> >
> > Naturally-reared guide dogs
> > https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
> >
> > On 11/25/15, William Vandervest via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> you talk to your cane lol, how well does that work(smile)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See William and LD
> >> Lynerd timelord09 at comcast.net
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:18:40 -0500
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
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> The only people who have grabbed my dog's harness were people who I
> asked for help. So I was polite to them because I still wanted their
> help. It's not like the person had no business interacting with us in
> the first place. If they had been strangers and I was minding my own
> business, they would get an earful of choice words.
> I don't think it's right for them to grab the handle, but I also know
> what it's like to help someone with a disability, and lack
> understanding of the extent of the help they need. It is a very
> humbling experience, and it taught me to empathize with the headspace
> of the people who I ask for help, or people who unhelpfully attempt to
> force their assistance on me.
>
> Now, when I ask people for help, I tell them exactly what I would like
> them to do so that there is no question or confusion.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 11/27/15, Julie J. via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > It's pretty rare that anyone grabs me. It does happen from time to time
> > though. I read a fascinating book many years ago about how airline
> flight
> > attendants are taught to instruct passengers in case of emergency. They
> > practice it on each other and in simulations. Basically it's brief,
> > extremely to the point and given in a tone of command. There is no
> "would
> > you be so kind as to..." or "I'd appreciate it very much if you could..."
> > It's just things like "stand up, walk to the exit". So this is the
> strategy
> >
> > I've adopted. I think it's still in the general realm of manners. I'm
> not
> >
> > smacking them or anything, but I am very firm in what I expect them to do
> > with their hands and right now. So I might say, "let go." or "stop". So
> > far it has worked every time. Once they've let go of me, we can move
> on to
> >
> > a civil conversation or part company or however I want to proceed.
> >
> > I do, just once, want to say really loudly, "unhand me you fiend" or "you
> > can't touch me there for a dollar", but so far I've been too chicken.
> >
> > Julie
> > Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train her Own Guide Dog is now
> > available! Get the book here:
> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QXZSMOC
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cindy Ray via nagdu
> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:09 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > I am not sure that I really see any reason to be polite. I suspect it
> isn't
> > a bad idea, but maybe however you get the point across. I always marvel
> > that
> > people don't get that you would be offended by their grabbing you or your
> > harness. I do think I need to try to be a little nice if it is someone I
> am
> > seeing on a regular basis, though honestly I can see that this would make
> > you want to be less polite. What are they thinking?
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:06 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > I really see no reason to be polite to someone who grabs me or my dog.
> > What
> > reaction do you think someone would get, if they grabbed a sighted
> > stranger?
> > A good, hard smack? A yell for the police? Why should I quietly accept
> > such rudeness? Just because blind people have been taught all our lives
> to
> > accept people grabbing us? I don't think so. I growled at a waiter just
> > this morning for grabbing me when I was walking around the table to get
> to
> > my seat.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via
> > nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:16 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > Cc: Cindy Ray
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Oh, I have to fight against reacting that way, and I think I may do so
> more
> > than I realize. One day at church a woman grabbed me because she thought
> I
> > was going to knock over a pitcher of water. Given where I was, I hope it
> > was
> > on a table. I wasn't moving quickly and I was conscientiously using my
> > cane.
> > I told her to please not grab me, and she was offended. But really, how
> > does
> > someone feel about being grabbed like that. It isn't a fun thing.
> > Cindy Lou Ray
> > cindyray at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
> > via nagdu
> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:44 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Grabbing my harness was Humor for blind people
> >
> > Cindy is much more restrained than I am. I tend to slap at the offending
> > hand and tell them sharply to let go. Such behavior is completely
> > unacceptable. I tend to do the same when they grab me. Just because I'm
> > blind doesn't mean I will accept being grabbed at by strangers.
> > Tracy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 18:35:38 -0700
> From: Morgan Leland <morganland at me.com>
> To: NAGDU List <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction
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> Hi, I am Morgan and I recently graduated from Guiding Eyes with my first
> guide dog. She is a yellow lab named Fairest. I live in Chandler, AZ and
> attend college full-time at Arizona State University. I am doing well in
> school and was just welcomed into a national honor's society. My hope is to
> go to law school after I get my bachelor's degree. Fairest and I are
> adjusting well except she keeps pooping in harness despite being on a
> schedule and being given plenty of time to go! I am kind-of sad about this
> because I do not know how to correct it. Anyway, I love reading the
> messages from this group!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:09:24 -0500
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
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> Hi Morgan,
> I'm Raven, a recent college grad from Michigan. I too am working my
> 1st guide dog, a 5.5-yo male golden from GEB. I received one of their
> last goldens before they ssent their golden stock to GDB.
>
> Do you walk your dog when you take her out to park? Most dogs
> typically get exercise before they poop. The way guide dog schools
> teach us to relieve our dogs is atypical for a dog. Though it isn't
> always convenient for us, it is normal for a dog to poop after some
> walking, playing, or other exercise besides doing a few sniffs and
> circles on leash.
>
> Also, are you familiar enough with your dog to know her signs that she
> needs to relieve herself. It is normal for handlers to have a learning
> curve pertaining to their dog's body language. Perhaps she is showing
> signs such as squatting, walking funny, speeding up, slowing down, or
> seeming more distracted when she needs to poop.
> Hth.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 11/27/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi, I am Morgan and I recently graduated from Guiding Eyes with my first
> > guide dog. She is a yellow lab named Fairest. I live in Chandler, AZ and
> > attend college full-time at Arizona State University. I am doing well in
> > school and was just welcomed into a national honor's society. My hope is
> to
> > go to law school after I get my bachelor's degree. Fairest and I are
> > adjusting well except she keeps pooping in harness despite being on a
> > schedule and being given plenty of time to go! I am kind-of sad about
> this
> > because I do not know how to correct it. Anyway, I love reading the
> messages
> > from this group!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:24:58 -0700
> From: Morgan Leland <morganland at me.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
> Message-ID: <141BB373-C5FE-4345-9EB3-C613C2ED797D at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Morgan Leland <morganland at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> This is great insight! Maybe I will start taking her out on harness,
> working around the block, and then taking the harness off and parking her.
> She does exercise and play indoors, but I think it is the walking motion
> that stimulate her. He still may have some trouble though, because
> sometimes she does actually poop and then she does it again on route.
> Hopefully this will be a big step forward though.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Raven Tolliver via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Morgan,
> I'm Raven, a recent college grad from Michigan. I too am working my
> 1st guide dog, a 5.5-yo male golden from GEB. I received one of their
> last goldens before they ssent their golden stock to GDB.
>
> Do you walk your dog when you take her out to park? Most dogs
> typically get exercise before they poop. The way guide dog schools
> teach us to relieve our dogs is atypical for a dog. Though it isn't
> always convenient for us, it is normal for a dog to poop after some
> walking, playing, or other exercise besides doing a few sniffs and
> circles on leash.
>
> Also, are you familiar enough with your dog to know her signs that she
> needs to relieve herself. It is normal for handlers to have a learning
> curve pertaining to their dog's body language. Perhaps she is showing
> signs such as squatting, walking funny, speeding up, slowing down, or
> seeming more distracted when she needs to poop.
> Hth.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> > On 11/27/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi, I am Morgan and I recently graduated from Guiding Eyes with my first
> > guide dog. She is a yellow lab named Fairest. I live in Chandler, AZ and
> > attend college full-time at Arizona State University. I am doing well in
> > school and was just welcomed into a national honor's society. My hope is
> to
> > go to law school after I get my bachelor's degree. Fairest and I are
> > adjusting well except she keeps pooping in harness despite being on a
> > schedule and being given plenty of time to go! I am kind-of sad about
> this
> > because I do not know how to correct it. Anyway, I love reading the
> messages
> > from this group!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:00:01 -0800
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
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> Sometimes a dog needs more food at one meal then another. Try cutting back
> her food at breakfast a quarter cup. That should take care of the extra on
> root. Raven gave you good ideas also.
>
> Our labby needs his extra portion in the morning, or he will wake us up
> super early to go out.
>
> Welcome, I am Becky from the great State of confusion, I, I , I, mean
> Washington State, giggle.
>
> Becky and the flying fluffy fur ball, dats me, toothy grin. Love Jake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> via nagdu
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>
> Hi Morgan,
> I'm Raven, a recent college grad from Michigan. I too am working my
> 1st guide dog, a 5.5-yo male golden from GEB. I received one of their
> last goldens before they ssent their golden stock to GDB.
>
> Do you walk your dog when you take her out to park? Most dogs
> typically get exercise before they poop. The way guide dog schools
> teach us to relieve our dogs is atypical for a dog. Though it isn't
> always convenient for us, it is normal for a dog to poop after some
> walking, playing, or other exercise besides doing a few sniffs and
> circles on leash.
>
> Also, are you familiar enough with your dog to know her signs that she
> needs to relieve herself. It is normal for handlers to have a learning
> curve pertaining to their dog's body language. Perhaps she is showing
> signs such as squatting, walking funny, speeding up, slowing down, or
> seeming more distracted when she needs to poop.
> Hth.
> --
> Raven
> Founder of 1AM Editing & Research
> www.1am-editing.com
>
> You are valuable because of your potential, not because of what you
> have or what you do.
>
> Naturally-reared guide dogs
> https://groups.google.com/d/forum/nrguidedogs
>
> On 11/27/15, Morgan Leland via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi, I am Morgan and I recently graduated from Guiding Eyes with my first
> > guide dog. She is a yellow lab named Fairest. I live in Chandler, AZ and
> > attend college full-time at Arizona State University. I am doing well in
> > school and was just welcomed into a national honor's society. My hope is
> to
> > go to law school after I get my bachelor's degree. Fairest and I are
> > adjusting well except she keeps pooping in harness despite being on a
> > schedule and being given plenty of time to go! I am kind-of sad about
> this
> > because I do not know how to correct it. Anyway, I love reading the
> messages
> > from this group!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:01:16 -0600
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
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> Morgan, welcome. I am glad you were able to make it onto the list. It does
> sound as if you are doing very well indeed.
> I have had many dogs who will poop in harness. I try to make sure they have
> had an opportunity to go before I leave with them, but sometimes it just
> happens. I think my current dog is the least likely, and if we walk a long
> way, even he might.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
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> Hi, I am Morgan and I recently graduated from Guiding Eyes with my first
> guide dog. She is a yellow lab named Fairest. I live in Chandler, AZ and
> attend college full-time at Arizona State University. I am doing well in
> school and was just welcomed into a national honor's society. My hope is to
> go to law school after I get my bachelor's degree. Fairest and I are
> adjusting well except she keeps pooping in harness despite being on a
> schedule and being given plenty of time to go! I am kind-of sad about this
> because I do not know how to correct it. Anyway, I love reading the
> messages
> from this group!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:13:15 -0800
> From: "Elise Berkley" <bravaegf at hotmail.com>
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> Hello, Morgan and Fairest. Welcome to the list. I wish I had some
> suggestions, but we have many knowledgeable peopleon this list. I have had
> my first guide, Becky, for about 8 months. So, I am new at this, too. How
> is having a dog and going to university? Does fairest make it easy to get
> around on campus? I am thinking about transfering to Cal State Long Beach,
> but I am a little leery about moving around such a large campus with her.
> Thanks, and welcome again.
> Elise and Becky
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:24:12 -0700
> From: Morgan Leland <morganland at me.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
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> Subject: [nagdu] Getting around on campus...
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> Hi,
>
> Fair and I have only been home for two weeks and I took my classes online
> this semester because I was going to guide dog school in NY mid-semester.
> So, we have not been on campus yet. She makes everything so much easier for
> me to navigate though, I am quite confident University will be no different.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Elise Berkley via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hello, Morgan and Fairest. Welcome to the list. I wish I had some
> suggestions, but we have many knowledgeable peopleon this list. I have had
> my first guide, Becky, for about 8 months. So, I am new at this, too. How
> is having a dog and going to university? Does fairest make it easy to get
> around on campus? I am thinking about transfering to Cal State Long Beach,
> but I am a little leery about moving around such a large campus with her.
> Thanks, and welcome again.
> Elise and Becky
>
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