[nagdu] Impulse control

Wed Oct 7 01:31:46 UTC 2015

I believe I have a size 3. Thai doesn't chew so I can't speak from personal experience, but it seems like it would be difficult for a dog to get the Halti into his mouth.   
Danielle and Thai 
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> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Danielle.
> What size halti are you using?  I see several sizes on Amazon.
> 
> I'm trying again with the GL.  The trainer who called me back told me how
> it's supposed to be adjusted--tight behind the ears, loosish around the
> muzzle.  I left the GL on this morning in the crosstown bus, and Krokus
> didn't wiggle it off or eat anything, both a plus.
> Tracy
> 
>> Tracy,
>> Your description of Krokus sounds startlingly similar to Thai. He behaves
>> perfectly well when he knows he's being set up, then tries to eat anything
>> that resembles food in real life. The only training scenario where he'll
>> actually try to eat something is if I leave food somewhere while he's not
>> looking and walk away. Of course, that's the most difficult situation to
>> work with. For many food motivated dogs, getting the food and receiveing a
>> correction. is preferable to no food at all. The Halti helps
>> exponentially, but isn't completely effective if there's food inches away
>> at nose level or right between his paws when he's laying down. I remove
>> the Halti when Thai lays down for any extended period because I know it's
>> not the most comfortable. That being said, I either put it back on before
>> he stands up or hold the leash very close to the collar as he's standing
>> up so he can't grab anything.
>> I wouldn't feel comfortable using a basket muzzle for my dog, since it
>> would prevent the use of food rewards. If this isn't a concern for you, it
>> might be a good option.
>> 
>> Danielle and Thai
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Tami Jarvis via nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tracy,
>>> 
>>> They totally know when we're not expecting trouble and can act on the
>>> flash to cause some. Loki has reminded me of that a few times lately,
>>> now that we're doing some indoor public access and busier outdoor
>>> venues. As long as I have some attention on him, he's getting downright
>>> reliable about doing exactly what he's supposed to do without reminding.
>>> So I relax and get to shopping or chatting, and notice I should have
>>> been paying more attention to my pup. Needless to say, we're sticking to
>>> relaxed venues where there's not a lot of trouble for him to get into
>>> while he's learning what his best behavior is supposed to be and how to
>>> stick to it. Grocery stores and restaurants remain in our future, though
>>> he is doing well in outdoor eateries -- and getting better.
>>> 
>>> The Gentle Leader head collar can be adjusted so that it won't slip off
>>> the dog's nose. For dogs with shorter, broader muzzles, that makes it
>>> fairly tight. I can't remember about the Halti, which is what I used at
>>> first with Mitzi. Her long, pointy nose made adjustment pretty simple.
>>> It could be pretty loose and still stay on. It did not survive its
>>> introduction to Zay of the short, broad muzzle. Chomp!
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, the basket muzzle may be what you need for awhile, with
>>> praise and reward when he bypasses temptations he can't get to anyway. I
>>> guess with the muzzle, you couldn't use treats, but a head scratch with
>>> the praise or something? The real trick with that method is knowing
>>> about temptations when your dog isn't pointing them out by giving in to
>>> them. /lol/ I think that being kept from the reward of turkey sandwiches
>>> will also help so you may be able to phase out the muzzle in time.
>>> 
>>> Good luck with your clever goat boy.
>>> 
>>> Tami
>>> 
>>>> On 10/05/2015 09:06 AM, Tracy Carcione via nagdu wrote:
>>>> Yesterday, I happened to have lunch seated near a buffet table.  When I
>>>> got
>>>> up to leave, Krokus jumped up on the buffet and helped himself to a
>>>> sandwich.  I corrected him very sharply, but I suspect the turkey made
>>>> a
>>>> bigger impression than my correction.  Clearly, we still have impulse
>>>> control issues.
>>>> 
>>>> He's very smart about knowing when he's being set up.  When we're
>>>> practicing
>>>> impulse control, he's an angel, otherwise, not so much.  I'm not sure
>>>> if
>>>> it's a question of duration-I can resist that sandwich for 20 minutes,
>>>> but
>>>> not a minute longer-or that he knows to the millisecond when I'm not
>>>> expecting trouble and takes advantage.
>>>> 
>>>> And no, I didn't have the Gentle Leader on him, because, when I've left
>>>> it
>>>> on while he's lying down, he very quietly wiggled it loose enough to
>>>> eat it,
>>>> and then I had to worry about that passing through him.  Good thing
>>>> he's
>>>> part goat.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a call in to the school, but so far their suggestions have not
>>>> been
>>>> effective.  I guess I'll ask them about the basket muzzle, but I'd
>>>> rather
>>>> get some way to convince him to be good.
>>>> 
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> 
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