[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: i'm working, don't pet, vest

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Mon Mar 7 04:17:52 UTC 2016


Original I know she is fine, I had her sitting and kept her head near me.
She wanted to go get petted.
This is what I want to stop.
No ggroweling at all.
Nothing like that.
message:
> Dar, people say the dog is very protective of you all the time. Often 
> it is because they don't completely understand your relationship with 
> the dog. People were forever saying this about Fisher because of his 
> tendency to lunge and bark at dogs he did not know. This was not 
> protective; this was bratty. You can only do the best that you can do, 
> but don't give up trying to work it out of her. You may have to be more 
> stern. She could see someone you know going in a different direction 
> from the one you want to go and get you way disoriented. It is rather 
> serious, and I know you know this. I see it that way anyhow.
> Cindy


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> working, don't pet, vest

> Original I am thinking this is going to be a problem all of her life.
> She is a people person as I am, so I do understand what she is doing, I 
> don't like it where if that is all I have to work with, then I am pleased.
> I was told today she was very protective of me.
> This was on my mile walk.
> I kept her close to me while we were talking.
> I do hope she will come out of this.
> Thanks again,
> message:
>> Dar,

>> It does help if the people being sniffed don't encourage it. Maybe you
>> could ask some of those folks at church that she especially likes to
>> sniff to be very disapproving when they tell you she's sniffing them?
>> Or you could maybe ask people she especially likes to sniff to let you
>> know they're there before you're close enough, so you can be ahead of
>> the game. Then when she remembers not to sniff them, you know to
>> praise her, and they can be approving, too. I know it sounds a little
>> silly, but for social dogs, the smiles or frowns of their adoring
>> public can add impact to what you're working on. Or detract from it,
>> if they're all smiles and coos while you're trying to convince your
>> dog that what she's doing is
>> *not* cute. Sigh.

>> I use the gentle leader to give me a clue what Loki's nose is doing
>> and will use a light to moderate pull on it to redirect his nose if my
>> verbal reminder doesn't work immediately. If he continues to sniff, I
>> use my mean mom voice to repreat "leave it." If continues, I use my
>> hand by or on his muzzle to physically move the nose back to where it
>> should be, as I think you mentioned doing. For him, that counts as
>> negative reinforcement, so I only use it when he has a sniffing trend
>> going, and that seems to get him back on track and good as gold. By
>> now, his
>> *really* stubborn sniffing happens when we're walking by the dog and
>> cat food section, so I sometimes have to time out or turn around and
>> walk past it again. He's a lot better by now and even passed the food
>> without trying to stop and sniff last time, so I was kinda lost
>> because I didn't know we had passed it. /lol/ When I know we have
>> passed something or someone he could have sniffed but didn't, I praise
>> him mightily and occasionally add treats to reward his goodness.

>> He's made a lot of improvement, with a jump in maturity to help, so
>> that's nice. Most people he just passes by, although dog scent on
>> pants is really tempting. After a period of being really good in a
>> somewhat crowded store, he finally gave in and sniffed a couple of
>> people who giggled and cooed, so then he backslid for a bit until I
>> convinced him otherwise. I have a feeling that with this one, the
>> friendliness is going to be something I'll have to watch out for for
>> the duration. He's really very close to being where I want him to be,
>> independently keeping himself to himself most of the time. Whew!

>> Anyway, those are the low-energy, low-stress methods I use with my
>> friendly fellow. One has to be really on the ball until the dog really
>> learns the lesson, and it's fairly exhausting. Eventually, though, a
>> body can relax and just go with the dog in crowds, so it's worth the
>> extra work up front. Sniffing is self-rewarding, so it does take some
>> time and consistency.

>> Good luck!

>> Tami



>> On 03/05/2016 07:26 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>> She takes off her own gentle leader, gets that paw rite up there and
>>> pushes it off.
>>> When she starts to fight me wanting to run because she hates it, I
>>> don't have the strength to stop her.
>>> I can feel my heart saying you used up all your energy.
>>> Yes the leash is in my rite hand.
>>> I questioned this at pilot where I would always get told just tell her no.
>>> That doesn't work with her.
>>> I'm pleased folks are starting to see at the church what she does to
>>> say something to her.
>>> Then she knows she is being watched.

>>> Original message:
>>>> I am wondering if you should put a gentle leader on her. Also,
>>>> sometimes if you have the leash in one hand and the harness in the
>>>> other, you can feel her start and stop it more quickly, and give her
>>>> words that should leave no doubt in her mind that it isn't acceptable.
>>>> Cindy


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>>>> vest

>>>> Yes she is a strong willed dog, and is going to do what she wishes to do.
>>>> One lady told her this evening, you have a job quit sniffing.
>>>> I shared visiting is her favorite thing, while standing in line to
>>>> move forward.
>>>> She does this as well when walking.
>>>> I called her my social lite.

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Only some of us are, apparently. Don't let that get to you though.
>>>>> Miss Hildegard Vom Entwerfer Haus also has a very active nose that
>>>>> sticks itself in inappropriate places. I don't always catch it,
>>>>> although "subtle" isn't exactly in her vocabulary. Still, we
>>>>> persevere, and things improve.

>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name




>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:56 PM, dar via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>>>> Unfair question, I write on the list to get help on stopping a
>>>>>> problem, then get asked why do I allow this to happen.
>>>>>> What a list, I thought it was a list for questions. Glad all are
>>>>>> perfect!!

>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> Every saint has a past,
>>>>>> Every sinner has a future


>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> just curious, why do you let her do this?  i sure would not want
>>>>>>> someone’s dog sniffing or licking me if i was just riding a bus
>>>>>>> somewhere.  and, if i really liked doggies a lot, i would most
>>>>>>> certainly pet a dog if it was doing this.  even if it had a sign
>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>> ah well, i guess we each have our own way of doing things.  hmm.

>>>>>>> Vivianna

>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, d m gina via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> My girl wishes to sniff anyone she can, even put my hand down to
>>>>>>>> see her nose on the ladies slacks.
>>>>>>>> I move it and it goes rite back to where I moved it from.
>>>>>>>> I keep telling folks that I am training her, and she doesn't
>>>>>>>> need to do this.
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>> I have a sign that i had custom-made on my dog’s harness  it
>>>>>>>>> has a picture of a hand with a red slash going through it.  it
>>>>>>>>> does work for me.
>>>>>>>>> i also believe that, if the dog does not solicit attention yu
>>>>>>>>> are much less likely to have the problem.  i don’t allow my dog
>>>>>>>>> to seek attention from people.  what’s the fun of petting a dog
>>>>>>>>> that completely ignores you, or just keeps walking like you
>>>>>>>>> didn’t exist.  lol.
>>>>>>>>> just my opinion.

>>>>>>>>> Vivianna

>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Christina Moore via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>>>> From what I hear the vests do not really help much unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> Someone with more experience with having a vest on their dog
>>>>>>>>>> could probably give more insight to this though.
>>>>>>>>>> Christina

>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Michael Babcock via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions for a vest to encourage not
>>>>>>>>>>> petting?
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m working with a lab from seeing eye, and want to get some
>>>>>>>>>>> sort of sign or vest to discourage public from wanting to pet
>>>>>>>>>>> my wonderful guide Titan.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any tips/advise, and i understand a sign won’t
>>>>>>>>>>> stop everyone however maybe it will help with people randomly
>>>>>>>>>>> petting and distracting.
>>>>>>>>>>> best.

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