[NAGDU] {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: i'm working, don't pet, vest
Cindy Ray
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Mon Mar 7 11:50:47 UTC 2016
It doesn't matter much if she growled or didn't, if she wants to get petted, she is distracted from what she's supposed to be doing. That might be OK if you are sitting around, not so much if you are walking. But then again you know all this stuff. *smile*
Cindy
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Original I know she is fine, I had her sitting and kept her head near me.
She wanted to go get petted.
This is what I want to stop.
No ggroweling at all.
Nothing like that.
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> Dar, people say the dog is very protective of you all the time. Often
> it is because they don't completely understand your relationship with
> the dog. People were forever saying this about Fisher because of his
> tendency to lunge and bark at dogs he did not know. This was not
> protective; this was bratty. You can only do the best that you can do,
> but don't give up trying to work it out of her. You may have to be
> more stern. She could see someone you know going in a different
> direction from the one you want to go and get you way disoriented. It
> is rather serious, and I know you know this. I see it that way anyhow.
> Cindy
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> working, don't pet, vest
> Original I am thinking this is going to be a problem all of her life.
> She is a people person as I am, so I do understand what she is doing,
> I don't like it where if that is all I have to work with, then I am pleased.
> I was told today she was very protective of me.
> This was on my mile walk.
> I kept her close to me while we were talking.
> I do hope she will come out of this.
> Thanks again,
> message:
>> Dar,
>> It does help if the people being sniffed don't encourage it. Maybe
>> you could ask some of those folks at church that she especially likes
>> to sniff to be very disapproving when they tell you she's sniffing them?
>> Or you could maybe ask people she especially likes to sniff to let
>> you know they're there before you're close enough, so you can be
>> ahead of the game. Then when she remembers not to sniff them, you
>> know to praise her, and they can be approving, too. I know it sounds
>> a little silly, but for social dogs, the smiles or frowns of their
>> adoring public can add impact to what you're working on. Or detract
>> from it, if they're all smiles and coos while you're trying to
>> convince your dog that what she's doing is
>> *not* cute. Sigh.
>> I use the gentle leader to give me a clue what Loki's nose is doing
>> and will use a light to moderate pull on it to redirect his nose if
>> my verbal reminder doesn't work immediately. If he continues to
>> sniff, I use my mean mom voice to repreat "leave it." If continues, I
>> use my hand by or on his muzzle to physically move the nose back to
>> where it should be, as I think you mentioned doing. For him, that
>> counts as negative reinforcement, so I only use it when he has a
>> sniffing trend going, and that seems to get him back on track and
>> good as gold. By now, his
>> *really* stubborn sniffing happens when we're walking by the dog and
>> cat food section, so I sometimes have to time out or turn around and
>> walk past it again. He's a lot better by now and even passed the food
>> without trying to stop and sniff last time, so I was kinda lost
>> because I didn't know we had passed it. /lol/ When I know we have
>> passed something or someone he could have sniffed but didn't, I
>> praise him mightily and occasionally add treats to reward his goodness.
>> He's made a lot of improvement, with a jump in maturity to help, so
>> that's nice. Most people he just passes by, although dog scent on
>> pants is really tempting. After a period of being really good in a
>> somewhat crowded store, he finally gave in and sniffed a couple of
>> people who giggled and cooed, so then he backslid for a bit until I
>> convinced him otherwise. I have a feeling that with this one, the
>> friendliness is going to be something I'll have to watch out for for
>> the duration. He's really very close to being where I want him to be,
>> independently keeping himself to himself most of the time. Whew!
>> Anyway, those are the low-energy, low-stress methods I use with my
>> friendly fellow. One has to be really on the ball until the dog
>> really learns the lesson, and it's fairly exhausting. Eventually,
>> though, a body can relax and just go with the dog in crowds, so it's
>> worth the extra work up front. Sniffing is self-rewarding, so it does
>> take some time and consistency.
>> Good luck!
>> Tami
>> On 03/05/2016 07:26 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>> She takes off her own gentle leader, gets that paw rite up there and
>>> pushes it off.
>>> When she starts to fight me wanting to run because she hates it, I
>>> don't have the strength to stop her.
>>> I can feel my heart saying you used up all your energy.
>>> Yes the leash is in my rite hand.
>>> I questioned this at pilot where I would always get told just tell her no.
>>> That doesn't work with her.
>>> I'm pleased folks are starting to see at the church what she does to
>>> say something to her.
>>> Then she knows she is being watched.
>>> Original message:
>>>> I am wondering if you should put a gentle leader on her. Also,
>>>> sometimes if you have the leash in one hand and the harness in the
>>>> other, you can feel her start and stop it more quickly, and give
>>>> her words that should leave no doubt in her mind that it isn't acceptable.
>>>> Cindy
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>>>> Yes she is a strong willed dog, and is going to do what she wishes to do.
>>>> One lady told her this evening, you have a job quit sniffing.
>>>> I shared visiting is her favorite thing, while standing in line to
>>>> move forward.
>>>> She does this as well when walking.
>>>> I called her my social lite.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Only some of us are, apparently. Don't let that get to you though.
>>>>> Miss Hildegard Vom Entwerfer Haus also has a very active nose that
>>>>> sticks itself in inappropriate places. I don't always catch it,
>>>>> although "subtle" isn't exactly in her vocabulary. Still, we
>>>>> persevere, and things improve.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: 814-860-3194
>>>>> Mobile: 814-431-0962
>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:56 PM, dar via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Unfair question, I write on the list to get help on stopping a
>>>>>> problem, then get asked why do I allow this to happen.
>>>>>> What a list, I thought it was a list for questions. Glad all are
>>>>>> perfect!!
>>>>>> Dar
>>>>>> Every saint has a past,
>>>>>> Every sinner has a future
>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 2:24 AM, Vivianna via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> just curious, why do you let her do this? i sure would not want
>>>>>>> someone’s dog sniffing or licking me if i was just riding a bus
>>>>>>> somewhere. and, if i really liked doggies a lot, i would most
>>>>>>> certainly pet a dog if it was doing this. even if it had a sign
>>>>>>> on it.
>>>>>>> ah well, i guess we each have our own way of doing things. hmm.
>>>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 8:45 PM, d m gina via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My girl wishes to sniff anyone she can, even put my hand down
>>>>>>>> to see her nose on the ladies slacks.
>>>>>>>> I move it and it goes rite back to where I moved it from.
>>>>>>>> I keep telling folks that I am training her, and she doesn't
>>>>>>>> need to do this.
>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>> I have a sign that i had custom-made on my dog’s harness it
>>>>>>>>> has a picture of a hand with a red slash going through it. it
>>>>>>>>> does work for me.
>>>>>>>>> i also believe that, if the dog does not solicit attention yu
>>>>>>>>> are much less likely to have the problem. i don’t allow my
>>>>>>>>> dog to seek attention from people. what’s the fun of petting
>>>>>>>>> a dog that completely ignores you, or just keeps walking like
>>>>>>>>> you didn’t exist. lol.
>>>>>>>>> just my opinion.
>>>>>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Christina Moore via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> From what I hear the vests do not really help much unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> Someone with more experience with having a vest on their dog
>>>>>>>>>> could probably give more insight to this though.
>>>>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Michael Babcock via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions for a vest to encourage not
>>>>>>>>>>> petting?
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m working with a lab from seeing eye, and want to get some
>>>>>>>>>>> sort of sign or vest to discourage public from wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>> pet my wonderful guide Titan.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any tips/advise, and i understand a sign won’t
>>>>>>>>>>> stop everyone however maybe it will help with people
>>>>>>>>>>> randomly petting and distracting.
>>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>>> ***
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