[NAGDU] Dispute resolution

Wed May 11 18:46:50 UTC 2016

David,

I'm not Marion, but thanks for your clarifications. In fact, NAGDU does
advocate for full ownership upon graduation. It may well be time to begin
bringing a class action law suit concerning school ownership policies. I am
sure this topic will be discussed going forward. 

Best Regards,

Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via NAGDU
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:37 AM
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Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dispute resolution

That's not what I was saying at all, Marion.  I meant that I, as an
individual, would not sue a school. I think the balance, without
organizational backing, would be skewed against me.  I definitely think that
with the backing of an advocacy group such as NAGDU, the balance would be
much more fair and allow the issues to be heard.

A much more sustainable and reasonable approach is for NAGDU to propose,
maintain, and advocate a full ownership position.  I am offended by the
fuzzy concepts that schools take regarding ownership, due process, and
school rights of intervention.

My later one liner was sent to correct a grammatical error that I made in a
prior post.

David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL

On 5/11/2016 1:27 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU wrote:
> David,
>
> 	NAGDU is currently assisting a guide dog user whose dog was removed 
> without cause in spite of the fact that she has a written ownership 
> agreement. She has attempted to resolve this issue with the program 
> and they have been nonresponsive. She has given NAGDU consent for us 
> to speak to them and for them to release any information they have and 
> they are refusing to speak to us. Given the ownership issue, the 
> illegal theft of her dog, their unwillingness to speak to either she 
> or us, do you propose we not pursue litigation against the training 
> program because they are so "venerable"? How venerable is a company 
> that breaches contracts, commits larceny, and then believes they are
immune from questioning?
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dispute resolution
>
> Well, I wouldn't be comfortable suing a guide dog school. Arguing due 
> process rights with a venerable non-profit IMHO would not be a 
> productive use of money or time. 'Better that these rights be agreed 
> upon before there is a dispute.  A recommendation favoring due process 
> procedures, if any, and full ownership from a venerable advocacy group 
> might help eliminate some of the ambiguity that schools seem to maintain
in their contracts and policies.
> Also, in  my opinion, handlers, schools, and regulators would be 
> better served relying upon local civil remedies than fuzzy ownership 
> ideas.  If there is a perception that a handler's treatment is a 
> problem, then the handler should maintain his or her due process 
> rights that accompany his or her full ownership of the dog under local
law.
>
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>
> On 5/11/2016 11:46 AM, Star Gazer via NAGDU wrote:
>> 				We wouldn't??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via 
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:07 AM
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>> Cc: David <david at bakerinet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Dispute resolution
>>
>> ... none of us would want to sue,
>>
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>
>> On 5/11/2016 9:54 AM, David via NAGDU wrote:
>>> cacy group such as NAGDU.
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