[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28
Peter Wolf
pwolf1 at wolfskills.com
Sat Apr 29 15:29:14 UTC 2017
I have vision-meets-balance issues. I don’t see peripherally, so when Metukah puts her head down or goes to sniff, it will be too late to correct - and I may not be balanced. The solution when I discussed this was that although it wasn’t standard practice, to use a head halter. We use Holt, or Halti. She can open her mouth, pant, and even eat. I mean just a training treat or something because she can open her mouth halfway, not all the way. It also allows drinking. It’s just a head steering aid, and it tells me instantly when she is about to move her head out of walking range.
As an aside,, we up to now have worked on leash, not handle, for six years. Julie has been helping me a lot to get her ready for harness handle, and will shortly be making one to fit her. But in getting ready I have been using a training harness in the interim, and simply using the leash and halter as usual, clipped on my belt and holding it like always, independent of the training harness. No problem. But back to the issue.
The traininer and I recognized how awesome Metukah is, even though the curious nose wasn’t going away, and so develped this strategy to include and work around it. It simply keeps her head up where it belongs when she gets tempted, and if she gets to the phase between thought and action, I can catch it and it is a one fingertip pad touch correction in a little sewn finger loop - the way we work - extremely light on leash. It is relationship, and communication, not pulling.
Here’s the other thing. We both know each others’ intelligence. We respect each other a lot. It is sometimes astonishing how affective it is to have a full sentence English conversation, with full intention and language, and subtlety, discussing desire, boundaries, feelings, and the importance of something. She gets it. We have never done discipline. Well, correction. I have raised my voice twice in seven years, but only because she was occupied and didn’t hear me at first and react. Here’s the caveat. If you are going to lay out your case to your dog, he or she will get it. But *only* if you believe it is possible. Hope this helps.
Peter
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> 1. Re: bad dogs (Tami Jarvis)
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> 3. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
> 4. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
> 5. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
> 6. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
> 7. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:35:32 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> Dar,
>
> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>
> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>
> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
> your girl past this.
>
> Tami
>
> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>> She will keep me busy as always.
>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>> I will keep working with it.
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:03:36 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> Hi Tami.
> That's interesting. I could see how it could work, if the food is in front
> of or to the dog's right--well, my direction, which is to his right. Krokus
> often seems to dive left-ish, where the food is closer to him. I have
> sometimes managed to stick my foot between his nose and a tasty tidbit, but
> that's just dumb luck.
> Still, I'll keep this idea in mind myself.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Tami Jarvis
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
> Dar,
>
> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work for
> you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss it out
> anyway, just in case it might work.
>
> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If you
> can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance and
> thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the ground, then
> block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, you might be able
> to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with my husband's
> muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used it on the poodles
> to convince them not to cut across me for a good sniff. I'm not sure I'd try
> it with my guide in a crowd or in a place I'm likely to lose orientation,
> but it does work. It's a direct form of communication that mimics how dogs
> communicate boundaries and so on. I keep my body turned slightly away from
> the dog and don't even look at it. It also takes less strength than trying
> to pull a stubborn monster away from a goodie, so you might get more
> victories.
>
> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of the
> time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a strong,
> stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get your girl past
> this.
>
> Tami
>
> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>> She will keep me busy as always.
>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>> I will keep working with it.
>>
>
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> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:28:07 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> Today she had on the prong collar.
> I did the short leash,
> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
> For the most part she was listening.
> Original message:
>> Hi Dar.
>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely helps.
>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control. I
>> don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on getting him to
>> resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this more, but even the
>> bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still tries to pick up stuff,
>> but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we can actually walk all the way
>> across town without grabbing anything.
>> Good luck with your goat.
>> Tracy
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I am
>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her down
>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>> She will keep me busy as always.
>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>> I will keep working with it.
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
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> --
> --Dar
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> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:55:13 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> Yes I give her the knee when she is sniffing buts.
> Never tried it when nove is on ground.
> I can use my left knee to do this.
> I also have to do this when we sniff corners on buildings, as well as
> when driver is walking up to us.
> She starts a tail wag, where for the most part would be fine, except if
> there is a curb off I go because she is watching driver not feet and curb.
> She might get this thing after all.
> I just have to stay on her at all times.
> The short leash is wonderful.
> I even have the prong collar on.
> I slow her down in areas I don't know so I do have better balance.
> Going down ramps things like that.
> Original message:
>> Dar,
>
>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>
>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>
>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
>> your girl past this.
>
>> Tami
>
>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>
>
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> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:59:15 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
> Message-ID: <00ca01d2bdf6$091548c0$1b3fda40$@access.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the old
> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
> Today she had on the prong collar.
> I did the short leash,
> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
> For the most part she was listening.
> Original message:
>> Hi Dar.
>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
> helps.
>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>> Good luck with your goat.
>> Tracy
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>> via NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>> She will keep me busy as always.
>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>> I will keep working with it.
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
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> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:56 -0400
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
> Message-ID: <4ACD9981DB694F8A90C22FD01A1AF2EF at SLJohnson>
>
> Dar:
>
>> From my experience you will definitely have better control with a shorter
> leach. It seems that she is better when you are using the prong collar so
> that might have to be part of your daily bag of tricks with her. Good luck
> with that very stubborn girl of yours.
>
> Sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
> Today she had on the prong collar.
> I did the short leash,
> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
> For the most part she was listening.
> Original message:
>> Hi Dar.
>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>> helps.
>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control. I
>> don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on getting him to
>> resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this more, but even the
>> bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still tries to pick up stuff,
>> but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we can actually walk all the
>> way
>> across town without grabbing anything.
>> Good luck with your goat.
>> Tracy
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I
>> am
>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>> down
>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>> She will keep me busy as always.
>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>> I will keep working with it.
>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>
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> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:24:19 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
> Original message:
>> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the old
>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>> Tracy
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>> I did the short leash,
>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>> For the most part she was listening.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>> helps.
>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>> Tracy
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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> www.twitter.com/dmgina
> every saint has a past
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:46 -0400
> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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> Dar:
>
> It is fine if you decide not to use your support cane but I do not want you
> to fall without using it. When I hold my cane in the right hand, I can
> still use the leash by holding it around my right wrist and then grabbing
> the cane. If the leash is short enough it will be just enough that the dog
> will notice the slight pressure and know you will be ready if she does
> something wrong. I did this when I first brought Eva home because he wanted
> to play with everyone. Write me off list if you need a better explanation.
>
> Sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: d m gina via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:24 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: d m gina
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
> Original message:
>> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the
>> old
>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>> Tracy
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>> I did the short leash,
>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>> For the most part she was listening.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>> helps.
>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>> Tracy
>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
>
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