[NAGDU] NAGDU Digest, Vol 145, Issue 28
d m gina
dmgina at mysero.net
Sat Apr 29 19:08:58 UTC 2017
On the halty,
we went to a restaurant where folks thought French fries in the
corridor then in the restaurant.
By the time i was done, I wanted to throw it away.
My stars she ate more fries than I did that night.
I thought for sure this wasn't the best thing for her.
Now I can laugh, at the time I was quite upset over the whole thing.
Original message:
> I have vision-meets-balance issues. I don’t see peripherally, so when
> Metukah puts her head down or goes to sniff, it will be too late to
> correct - and I may not be balanced. The solution when I discussed
> this was that although it wasn’t standard practice, to use a head
> halter. We use Holt, or Halti. She can open her mouth, pant, and even
> eat. I mean just a training treat or something because she can open
> her mouth halfway, not all the way. It also allows drinking. It’s
> just a head steering aid, and it tells me instantly when she is about
> to move her head out of walking range.
> As an aside,, we up to now have worked on leash, not handle, for six
> years. Julie has been helping me a lot to get her ready for harness
> handle, and will shortly be making one to fit her. But in getting
> ready I have been using a training harness in the interim, and simply
> using the leash and halter as usual, clipped on my belt and holding it
> like always, independent of the training harness. No problem. But
> back to the issue.
> The traininer and I recognized how awesome Metukah is, even though the
> curious nose wasn’t going away, and so develped this strategy to
> include and work around it. It simply keeps her head up where it
> belongs when she gets tempted, and if she gets to the phase between
> thought and action, I can catch it and it is a one fingertip pad touch
> correction in a little sewn finger loop - the way we work - extremely
> light on leash. It is relationship, and communication, not pulling.
> Here’s the other thing. We both know each others’ intelligence. We
> respect each other a lot. It is sometimes astonishing how affective it
> is to have a full sentence English conversation, with full intention
> and language, and subtlety, discussing desire, boundaries, feelings,
> and the importance of something. She gets it. We have never done
> discipline. Well, correction. I have raised my voice twice in seven
> years, but only because she was occupied and didn’t hear me at first
> and react. Here’s the caveat. If you are going to lay out your case
> to your dog, he or she will get it. But *only* if you believe it is
> possible. Hope this helps.
> Peter
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>> 1. Re: bad dogs (Tami Jarvis)
>> 2. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>> 3. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>> 4. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>> 5. Re: bad dogs (Tracy Carcione)
>> 6. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>> 7. Re: bad dogs (d m gina)
>> 8. Re: bad dogs (S L Johnson)
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:35:32 -0700
>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <f026b274-0128-f723-3f72-9bbc0c91e5c9 at poodlemutt.com>
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>> Dar,
>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
>> your girl past this.
>> Tami
>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:03:36 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <00bf01d2bde5$e1118d30$a334a790$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Hi Tami.
>> That's interesting. I could see how it could work, if the food is in front
>> of or to the dog's right--well, my direction, which is to his right. Krokus
>> often seems to dive left-ish, where the food is closer to him. I have
>> sometimes managed to stick my foot between his nose and a tasty tidbit, but
>> that's just dumb luck.
>> Still, I'll keep this idea in mind myself.
>> Tracy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 12:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Tami Jarvis
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Dar,
>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work for
>> you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss it out
>> anyway, just in case it might work.
>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If you
>> can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance and
>> thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the ground, then
>> block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it, you might be able
>> to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with my husband's
>> muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used it on the poodles
>> to convince them not to cut across me for a good sniff. I'm not sure I'd try
>> it with my guide in a crowd or in a place I'm likely to lose orientation,
>> but it does work. It's a direct form of communication that mimics how dogs
>> communicate boundaries and so on. I keep my body turned slightly away from
>> the dog and don't even look at it. It also takes less strength than trying
>> to pull a stubborn monster away from a goodie, so you might get more
>> victories.
>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of the
>> time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a strong,
>> stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get your girl past
>> this.
>> Tami
>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:28:07 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <6b093d38.8952.44b7.9c9f.307385134f5e at samobile.net>
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>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>> I did the short leash,
>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>> For the most part she was listening.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely helps.
>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control. I
>>> don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on getting him to
>>> resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this more, but even the
>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still tries to pick up stuff,
>>> but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we can actually walk all the way
>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>> Tracy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I am
>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her down
>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:55:13 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <b8cbcb56.04e7.411e.94c0.24838b352056 at samobile.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>> Yes I give her the knee when she is sniffing buts.
>> Never tried it when nove is on ground.
>> I can use my left knee to do this.
>> I also have to do this when we sniff corners on buildings, as well as
>> when driver is walking up to us.
>> She starts a tail wag, where for the most part would be fine, except if
>> there is a curb off I go because she is watching driver not feet and curb.
>> She might get this thing after all.
>> I just have to stay on her at all times.
>> The short leash is wonderful.
>> I even have the prong collar on.
>> I slow her down in areas I don't know so I do have better balance.
>> Going down ramps things like that.
>> Original message:
>>> Dar,
>>> I think you've mentioned you have balance issues, so this may not work
>>> for you. It may not even be a good idea in certain situations. I'll toss
>>> it out anyway, just in case it might work.
>>> What would happen if you bumped her away from the food with your leg? If
>>> you can get a strong enough shove right behind the shoulder to unbalance
>>> and thus move the dog's front end away from the yummy food on the
>>> ground, then block with your knee if the dog tries to get back to it,
>>> you might be able to win the battle. I've used that mostly at home with
>>> my husband's muscle-bound food-obsessed beastie, though I've also used
>>> it on the poodles to convince them not to cut across me for a good
>>> sniff. I'm not sure I'd try it with my guide in a crowd or in a place
>>> I'm likely to lose orientation, but it does work. It's a direct form of
>>> communication that mimics how dogs communicate boundaries and so on. I
>>> keep my body turned slightly away from the dog and don't even look at
>>> it. It also takes less strength than trying to pull a stubborn monster
>>> away from a goodie, so you might get more victories.
>>> Anyway, it's a thought. You're right that if you're only winning part of
>>> the time, you're not winning at all. That can be so frustrating with a
>>> strong, stubborn dog. Hope you get a way to win consistently and get
>>> your girl past this.
>>> Tami
>>> On 04/24/2017 07:38 PM, d m gina via NAGDU wrote:
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 14:59:15 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <00ca01d2bdf6$091548c0$1b3fda40$@access.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the old
>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>> Tracy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>> NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>> I did the short leash,
>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>> For the most part she was listening.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>> helps.
>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>> Tracy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:10:56 -0400
>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <4ACD9981DB694F8A90C22FD01A1AF2EF at SLJohnson>
>> Dar:
>>> From my experience you will definitely have better control with a shorter
>> leach. It seems that she is better when you are using the prong collar so
>> that might have to be part of your daily bag of tricks with her. Good luck
>> with that very stubborn girl of yours.
>> Sandra
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>> I did the short leash,
>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>> For the most part she was listening.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi Dar.
>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>>> helps.
>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse control. I
>>> don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on getting him to
>>> resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this more, but even the
>>> bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still tries to pick up stuff,
>>> but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we can actually walk all the
>>> way
>>> across town without grabbing anything.
>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>> Tracy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down or
>>> starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake, I
>>> am
>>> sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>> down
>>> outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>> I will keep working with it.
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>> FB: dmgina
>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>> every saint has a past
>>> every sinner has a future
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>> --
>> --Dar
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>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:24:19 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at mysero.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
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>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>> Original message:
>>> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the old
>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>> Tracy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>> I did the short leash,
>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>>> helps.
>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
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>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>> every sinner has a future
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>> --Dar
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>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:46 -0400
>> From: "S L Johnson" <SLJohnson25 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> Message-ID: <3287E4B5BBF045E490B8000936508D06 at SLJohnson>
>> Dar:
>> It is fine if you decide not to use your support cane but I do not want you
>> to fall without using it. When I hold my cane in the right hand, I can
>> still use the leash by holding it around my right wrist and then grabbing
>> the cane. If the leash is short enough it will be just enough that the dog
>> will notice the slight pressure and know you will be ready if she does
>> something wrong. I did this when I first brought Eva home because he wanted
>> to play with everyone. Write me off list if you need a better explanation.
>> Sandra
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: d m gina via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:24 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: d m gina
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>> To take a cane with you and work a dog that is a handful, is hard to do.
>> I left cane home this morning to make sure she would do her job.
>> She did pretty well with all of the reminders.
>> Thanks Julie for working with me on small leashes.
>> Original message:
>>> Good job. Sounds like you're making progress. Maybe a few weeks of the
>>> old
>>> prong collar will show her she has to pay attention.
>>> Tracy
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:28 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: d m gina
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>> Today she had on the prong collar.
>>> I did the short leash,
>>> I kept on her if she smiffed anyone, as she did.
>>> For the most part she was listening.
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi Dar.
>>>> I feel your pain. Krokus is a diver, too. A short leash definitely
>>> helps.
>>>> It also seems to have helped that I've been working on impulse
>>>> control. I don't let him take food until I say OK. I worked some on
>>>> getting him to resist food I put on the floor. I should work on this
>>>> more, but even the bit I did did seem to make a difference. He still
>>>> tries to pick up stuff, but not as much as he used to. Sometimes, we
>>>> can actually walk all the way across town without grabbing anything.
>>>> Good luck with your goat.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 10:39 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: d m gina
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] bad dogs
>>>> I am so pleased Julie is working with me on leashes.
>>>> My dog is a diver. Where there is food she will go to it.
>>>> Doesn't matter if it is a restaurant or any place.
>>>> I asked for a shorter leash so I could use the canny collar.
>>>> This would help keep it tighter on the nose, and when head goes down
>>>> or starts to go down I can hopefully catch it faster.
>>>> At church on Saturday was lots of activity with food. Especially cake,
>>>> I am sure as the world she was given cake as a puppy.
>>>> This girl was so truly out of control I had to pick her up and set her
>>>> down outside. Saying, we are now outside.
>>>> She is so strong for me I couldn't get her to pick up her head.
>>>> I even stomped on the floor that didn't matter either.
>>>> A friend shared there are times you win and there are times they win.
>>>> Oh me I better win more than just every other time.
>>>> She will keep me busy as always.
>>>> If we can get rid of this rain loll I can get out and walk with her.
>>>> We are out, but walks are cut back because of rain starting.
>>>> For me I want my dog to be top dog.
>>>> I will keep working with it.
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>> FB: dmgina
>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>> every saint has a past
>>>> every sinner has a future
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