[NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor

[Michael Hingson]

Aleeha and all,

I understand Sandra's comment about safety since an instructor must be able
to observe the team interaction without interfering with it. However, again,
I think it appropriate to explore alternatives to direct eye sight to do
this. As time progresses, perhaps Aira is a solution, perhaps not. There are
techniques that now exist or that can be developed. Owner-trainers may wish
to weigh in, but the issue is observing others learning to use guide dogs,
not what you do to observe your own work. 


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson

-----Original Message-----
From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 4:56 PM
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Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor

I agree with Mike on this one. Sandra, I think you are discounting the many
blind people who choose to train their own dogs. How, if your thoughts are
correct, are their dogs successful, safe, working teams? Sorry, but I think
the concept of a blind guide dog instructor is not at all out of the
question and wanted to try it at one point. 
Aleeha 
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Michael Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I must disagree. We as blind people have discovered that many of the 
> misconceptions we encounter about how we can perform jobs are misplaced.
> While we do not necessarily think of the specific methodology that 
> might be utilized in having a fully licensed blind instructor there is 
> no reason to assume that the job cannot be done.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor
> 
> I totally agree with this message.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S L Johnson via NAGDU  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Date: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I do think the schools should consider hiring blind people as 
>> training assistants.  However, a blind person could not be a full
instructor.
>> The instructors have to be able to see what is happening with the 
>> students and dogs.  It would be a question of safety.
>> 
>> Sandra
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 3:32 PM
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>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Apprentice Instructor
>> 
>> GDB had a pilot program that they set up to fail once. Otherwise, 
>> none of the schools would even think about hiring a blind 
>> apprentice'''they might then have to think about graduating one to a 
>> full instructor, and'''well'''we just can't have that.
>> 
>> -
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Mobile (preferred): (814) 431-0962
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194
>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Haylie Gallacher via NAGDU 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone know if any of the guide dog schools have ever hired a a 
>>> blind apprentice instructor?  If so, which ones?  I am thinking 
>>> about being a guide dog instructor is why I am asking.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Haylieof
>>> 
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